Pacific Rim - spoilers

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:07 pm

The military commanders have to be unbelievably stupid for any of this to get as bad as it did.

You have no backup pilots for these huge, multi-billion dollar jaegers? Are you fist-fucking me? Two motherfuckers that hadn't met before seemed entirely capable of driving one together after the lengthy introduction time of a couple days.

They imply that in the beginning the kaiju were pussies once jaegers came on the scene. Then man got complacent and the kaiju started kicking the shit out of them all of a sudden? But the math nerd said they only showed up once every X weeks. Problem is X keeps getting smaller. Alright, but it's still only ONE AT AT TIME. There used to be more than four jaegers. How's this for a strategy? Every time a <s>roebeast</s> kaiju surfaces, send in half the total <s>zords</s> jaegers and gang-curb-stomp its ass. Is Imperial Japan calling the shots and ordering one-on-one combat?

We don't fight fair! We believe in overwhelming force!

- Thugnificent

Know how nature lets tiny creatures take out ones a hundred times or more their size? I'm at a loss as to why there's no bio/chem solution. Seems cheaper than the machines. Sedate the kaiju, then blast the fuck out of it with precision rockets/missiles/bombs. You've got plenty of tissue and organs for analysis and a regular schedule by which to plan your tests.

I'm not a fan of the multi-pilot gimmick. It seems so goddamn stupid.

The coastal wall? Are you shitting me? What indication did they have that the kaiju can't fly or climb or smash through the fucking thing?

Post by **GORDON** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:43 pm

Malcolm wrote:The coastal wall? Are you shitting me? What indication did they have that the kaiju can't fly or climb or smash through the fucking thing?

Something always seemed fishy to be about the wall... like maybe earth leaders maybe had a secret deal with the aliens.

Besides... what if the wall worked? The oceans fill up with Kaiju just swimming around?

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:57 pm

DVR'd this. Tried to avoid scenes that didn't directly involve large things hitting each other. More thoughts on that

Of all the Jaegers, the Cherno Alpha is the only one without any sharp, cutting instruments on its limbs. They also make a point of saying it's the most ancient of all machines, but fucking still. All of them are guilty of punching when they have blades available. Shit, Gipsy's pilots seem to forget they fucking had any until they got dragged into the upper atmosphere. That should be lesson one, day one at Jaeger school, "Don't punch when you can stab." Let's recap how Gipsy takes out the critters:

1) Going to guess it gunned down the first one during the fight where the dude's brother dies.
2) Blasts the fuck out of the gorilla-looking thing with the EMP.
3) Japanese chick remembers they have a sword to take out the flying kaiju.
4) Dumb-ass kaiju swims straight into Gipsy's sword. It obviously escaped through the rift on accident from the short bus section of the other dimension.
5) They drag the other Cat 4 that comes from the rift into a lava vent after jabbing it through the skull, not technically a kill, but seemed effective to me.
6) They finish off the Cat 5 with a sword strike to the head, then ride its corpse through the wormhole.

The sword looks pretty fucking effective to me.

Secondly, the military knows where these fuckers emerge; there's only one spot. Seamines. Fuckloads of them. You might even want to invest in some sharks with frickin' laser beams. Or have all the Jaegers spawncamp. One of the kaiju was kind enough to bisect itself later in the movie, they can't be that bright.

But on the other side, the kaiju are as smart as Ashton Kutcher is funny on Two and a Half Men. Demolish the Eureka in Hong Kong instead of combing the city for Charlie fucking Day.

Speaking of Charlie ... his scientist character dude mentioned something about them doing a test run during the time of the dinosaurs but having to wait it out because the atmosphere wasn't correct or something. May have to watch more closely next time.

Post by **Cakedaddy** » Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:12 pm

Robots fighting giant monsters. Cool. At first. Even that got old. Because I couldn't help seeing everything that was wrong with that. NOTHING in this movie made sense. Well, at least concerning mankind's reaction to the giant monster problem. We have giant monsters coming out of the ocean and the best thing we can come up with is giant robots? Did the movie explain why this was better than helicopters with missiles and I just missed it? I saw the part about the blood fucking up the beaches, but it's not like they weren't still bleeding everywhere as the robots shot limbs off. The whole time I'm thinking "Just a closed fist? No brass knuckles at least? We have to use a huge ship as a bat? No one ever thought before that moment that 'hey, weapons might work too'?" Just horrible. A really really really stupid movie with robots and monsters fighting. OH, and of course we develop 200 foot robots, mind melding, plasma cannons, etc, all in 7 years. Right.

I agree with spawn camping. Fucking duh.

I like Charlie. It was like they took him right out of the bar and put him in the science lab. I could totally see his character on Always Sunny doing exactly what this scientist did. In fact, I submit that Charlie is a scientist mind melding with giant monsters during his off time from the bar. There was not enough Charlie in the movie. In fact, I think the whole movie should have been based off the Charlie character. Because then everything about the movie would have made complete sense, and would have been the comedy that Troy saw. Who better to think of fighting giant monster with giant robots that requires two people to mind meld and go punch the shit out of the monsters, than Charlie from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

Post by **GORDON** » Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:06 pm

Cakedaddy wrote:I like Charlie. It was like they took him right out of the bar and put him in the science lab. I could totally see his character on Always Sunny doing exactly what this scientist did. In fact, I submit that Charlie is a scientist mind melding with giant monsters during his off time from the bar. There was not enough Charlie in the movie. In fact, I think the whole movie should have been based off the Charlie character. Because then everything about the movie would have made complete sense, and would have been the comedy that Troy saw. Who better to think of fighting giant monster with giant robots that requires two people to mind meld and go punch the shit out of the monsters, than Charlie from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

I need to rewatch this movie now that I have binged my way through Always Sunny.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:32 pm

Now that I think about it, the pregnant kaiju, that's the one they kill about 50K feet in the air. Tell me how that carcass falls to the ground and doesn't explode like a blood sausage (come on Wasteland 2), let alone remain intact enough for the kid to survive.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:08 pm

This movie is rapidly moving into the category of "films that get a bit worse every time I watch them." When Idris Elba is going to suicide with the nuke ... he chooses not to eject the other pilot, his ex-copilot's son, why? I can't imagine setting of the bomb is more complex than making Gipsy's reactor overload. Fuck, they could've both ejected after setting a timer or something.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Sat May 03, 2014 1:16 pm

You can really hear Ron Perlman struggling to talk through his gold grill.

Post by **TPRJones** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:47 pm

I really did try to turn off my brain while watching this, but I failed. Every couple of minutes something else would happen that would have me groaning at the dumb. I'd have to watch it again to catalog it, but the biggest points have all been covered here. The worst of course being that using punching as a primary form of attack against these things is clearly not the best approach at any point and is only used in the movie so much because it's supposed to look cool.

For some reason the other thing that stuck out the most for me was Gipsy using the cargo ship as a club. I'm pretty sure if you tried to pick up a cargo ship by one end it would just crumple under it's own unsupported weight.

And how in the world did that kaiju know where to find Charlie in the shelter? Is there a continued psychic link after a drift has been terminated? Is Charlie now a permanent part of the kaiju hive mind? If so it doesn't seem to be an ongoing two-way connection. It only works as some sort of plot GPS.

Still, fun movie. If a bit dumb.

EDIT: Oh, and creating a cavitation bubble the size of the one created by that nuclear blast would have had a wave front hotter than the sun, which I would think should have had at least some effect on the jaeger. I'm going to stop now or I could list things all night.

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Post by **GORDON** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:01 pm

I am glad I am easier to please than some of y'all.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:55 pm

GORDON wrote:I am glad I am easier to please than some of y'all.

The plot holes were so fucking large. I still like the flick, but it's impossible to defend the logic of anything that happens.

Post by **GORDON** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:09 pm

The cargo ship baseball bat was in the trailers. The monster/robot boxing was in the trailers. There shouldn't have been many surprises.

Post by **TPRJones** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:37 am

I assure you, there was nothing about this movie that was in any way surprising.

More's the pity.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:59 am

The monster/robot boxing was in the trailers.

I thought it might've been after they ran out of ammo.

Post by **GORDON** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:50 am

There was a quick audio thing in the movie that said their blood was toxic, so I assumed they didn't resort to cutting first thing to try and avoid getting blood everywhere.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:02 pm

GORDON wrote:There was a quick audio thing in the movie that said their blood was toxic, so I assumed they didn't resort to cutting first thing to try and avoid getting blood everywhere.

They said the kaiju excrement was toxic. I presume the blood is, too, but even if that's the case ... what sounds worse: toxic blood rain or a 300-foot behemoth laying waste to your town?

Post by **GORDON** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:50 pm

Keep in mind that before the movie started they were saying the kaiju were easily dispatched to the point the pilots were going on Letterman and partying at Studio 54, so one could assume that punching their asses to death and putting them on aircraft carriers for disposal away from population centers wasn't a big deal. The movie started as shit got hard.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:55 pm

Shit got progressively worse even as they came one at a time with weeks in between? In the beginning, a single jaeger takes out a kaiju with a single fucking pilot running the combat. Let's say there were, I dunno, 10 jaegers. How are they all getting their asses beat if their enemies come at them one at a time like stuntmen from a C-kung fu flick? Dispatch half of them for each incident so none of them get the chance to get knocked out of commission.

Post by **TPRJones** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:26 pm

The movie did state that they were getting bigger and badder every time. The earliest were "Category 1" after all. So, okay, that makes punching as the standard approach a little less dumb. Presumably if the program had continued uninterrupted they'd have been developing better jaegers and techniques as the kaiju got harder.

I'll rescind that particular complaint.

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Post by **GORDON** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:29 pm

I heard the Ship Baseball Bat was considerably out of scale.