UPDATE (9:20 a.m. EDT): CNN reported new details Sunday morning on the health worker infected with Ebola in Texas: The victim is a female nurse, and Texas Health Resources chief clinical officer Dan Varga said she was involved in Thomas Eric Duncan’s second visit to the hospital, meaning that she was wearing full protective gear when she interacted with Duncan, the first person diagnosed with the virus in the U.S.
A “close contact” of the nurse has been “proactively” isolated as well, Varga said.
The fact that the nurse was apparently wearing the full gown, gloves, mask and shield meant to prevent Ebola transmission when she was treating Duncan adds a new layer of concern as the virus has been characterized as “difficult to catch” by news outlets and the government.
In addition to speaking with CNN, Varga issued a statement Sunday morning, confirming that the nurse is in “stable” condition.
Ebola - cuz it needs its own thread...
Well crap...
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
Yeah that sucks though. As if we didn't know that treating the disease is dangerous in the third world, let alone here.
Someone posting earlier about a really tough strain - long incubation time and now any contact surface? Home Security guy on Meet the Press is blaming it on following procedure right or not. Implies health care workers being sloppy.
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Someone posting earlier about a really tough strain - long incubation time and now any contact surface? Home Security guy on Meet the Press is blaming it on following procedure right or not. Implies health care workers being sloppy.
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It very well may be user error with the protective suit. The nurse in Spain thinks she may have touched her face after removing her gear, but before washing her hands. That makes me wonder how long this stuff can live on a surface like that? If someone goes into Walgreens or Rite-Aid and sneezes or coughs on a box of Thermaflu because that's what they think they have coming on, how long can it live on all the contaminated surfaces at that point? Someone else comes in and touches the box and wipes their nose and now they could have it.
Another thing I was thinking about is how many cases do you guess it'd take before the powers that be lose their ability to accurately track the people a patient may have had contact with? The first patient had them monitoring about 40 people? Is that right? If that holds true for the average, with 10 people you're tracking 400 people. With 100 cases, 4,000. I think at that point they've lost any notion of being able to even monitor its spread until after the fact, much less contain it.
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Another thing I was thinking about is how many cases do you guess it'd take before the powers that be lose their ability to accurately track the people a patient may have had contact with? The first patient had them monitoring about 40 people? Is that right? If that holds true for the average, with 10 people you're tracking 400 people. With 100 cases, 4,000. I think at that point they've lost any notion of being able to even monitor its spread until after the fact, much less contain it.
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"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
Idiots
Here's the type of arrogance that's going to kill people. Until you know how she got it, please stop saying with certainty how you think she got it. Maybe there was a breach in protocol. Or maybe you're just not as clever as you think you are.
But, according to Frieden, “at some point, there was a breach in protocol, and that breach in protocol resulted in this infection.” Investigators with the CDC are now looking into what that breach could have been. They are focusing the investigation on the kidney dialysis process, the removal of Duncan’s respiratory equipment, and the removal of the worker’s protective gear.
Here's the type of arrogance that's going to kill people. Until you know how she got it, please stop saying with certainty how you think she got it. Maybe there was a breach in protocol. Or maybe you're just not as clever as you think you are.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
I saw that. Then another story was blaming the NRA.Malcolm wrote:Republicans did that shit.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
So the 2nd person has it, which I predicted would be a problem. Going from 1 to 2 means at least an algebraic spread which will be difficult to contain.
http://www.foxnews.com/politic....r-virus
Head of the CDC is being pressured to step down due to being a fucking moron.
The 2 people infected were hospital workers, and "insufficiently following protocols" has been blamed. So... this means they were swapping spit with the patient? I was told he only way to spread it was with fluid exchange. If so, they really need to examine their protocols. One would think "Don't tongue the bleeding asshole of an ebola patient" would be really near the top of the page on the list of things to not do.
http://www.foxnews.com/politic....r-virus
Head of the CDC is being pressured to step down due to being a fucking moron.
The 2 people infected were hospital workers, and "insufficiently following protocols" has been blamed. So... this means they were swapping spit with the patient? I was told he only way to spread it was with fluid exchange. If so, they really need to examine their protocols. One would think "Don't tongue the bleeding asshole of an ebola patient" would be really near the top of the page on the list of things to not do.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
I heard the CDC chief say that in retrospect he wishes that he'd sent a team out to Dallas when the first patient was diagnosed. I was like, "Ye... what? You didn't send anyone to assist the hospital?"
So they keep talking like these nurses were at fault for breaking "protocol", but apparently no one ever trained them on what the protocol was and the hospital did not have the proper personal protection gear (Malcolm's above proscribed solution is apparently not up to code and not too far from what they were actually using).
At this point I think anyone believing the CDC's assurances and placing their health in the CDC's hands for all of this are the same type that showed up at the Superdome when Katrina was coming in.
So they keep talking like these nurses were at fault for breaking "protocol", but apparently no one ever trained them on what the protocol was and the hospital did not have the proper personal protection gear (Malcolm's above proscribed solution is apparently not up to code and not too far from what they were actually using).
At this point I think anyone believing the CDC's assurances and placing their health in the CDC's hands for all of this are the same type that showed up at the Superdome when Katrina was coming in.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
Oh, and the 2nd nurse to get it flew the day before symptoms appeared from Cleveland to Dallas and the plane stayed in use.
What makes me most uneasy is that Obama cancelled a fund raiser. What do they know that we don't? Obama has NEVER given a crap about the optics of stuff like that.
What makes me most uneasy is that Obama cancelled a fund raiser. What do they know that we don't? Obama has NEVER given a crap about the optics of stuff like that.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
I don't think I would trust "camps" or whatever. Best plan, to me, is to be able to hole up at home with enough food and water to last a month, and probably have a gun so you can keep it.Troy wrote:Fuck. Wife and I are having a talk about this tonight. Barebones plan is all that is needed, but better to be thinking about it than not.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
The nation's largest nurses' union described how Duncan was left in an open area of the emergency room for hours. National Nurses United, citing unidentified nurses, said staff treated Duncan for days without the correct protective gear, that hazardous waste was allowed to pile up to the ceiling and safety protocols constantly changed.
Fucking seriously? "To the ceiling" sounds like a bit of an exaggeration. The rest is madness. You can insulate yourself against this disease for as little as $20 in a goddamn near flawless manner.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
This is what I'm wrestling with. I think it's too easy to end up with a creeping threshold for deciding when it's time to do something. To keep saying to yourself, "if it gets worse than this, then we're going to have to do something", but each time that next thing happens to move the goalposts again. So I'm trying to figure out ahead of time where the threshold should be for "this is going to become an 'oh shit' moment for a lot of people", before it actually becomes an "oh shit" moment for me and the wife.Troy wrote:Fuck. Wife and I are having a talk about this tonight. Barebones plan is all that is needed, but better to be thinking about it than not.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
I think you'd need a lot more than a month's worth honestly. Hell, even after the smoke clears in your area you're probably talking at least a month before anyone's willing to venture into what was a hot zone before with food and supplies for anyone left alive there.GORDON wrote:I don't think I would trust "camps" or whatever. Best plan, to me, is to be able to hole up at home with enough food and water to last a month, and probably have a gun so you can keep it.Troy wrote:Fuck. Wife and I are having a talk about this tonight. Barebones plan is all that is needed, but better to be thinking about it than not.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren