This Trayvon Martin BS

Post by **thibodeaux** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:56 pm

You didn't put the tagline!

Post by **GORDON** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:59 pm

The grandfather-line? I was waiting for someone to get pissed at me, then I was going to post that.

Post by **thibodeaux** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:08 pm

ooh, good plan.

Post by **Leisher** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:30 pm

Great article about the double standard in race crimes.

This guy should be a leader in the black community, not racists and hate mongers like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

Post by **thibodeaux** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:53 pm

Uncle Tom.

Post by **GORDON** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:59 pm

Here's some of the management for the Black Panthers calling for a race war against, "Crackers, Pigs, and Pink People."

http://content.bitsontherun.com/previews/WestL0Mn-dh3Zgtip

The date on it is April 7.

Post by **TPRJones** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:50 pm

Let's just lock the Black Panthers and the KKK in a room together and let them talk out their problems. With guns and knives. We'd all be better off after.

Post by **Leisher** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:48 pm

Well that audio is obviously faked because black people can't be racist.

Post by **Leisher** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:26 am

[url=http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/ ... shooting-s
urprises-legal-experts?lite]Zimmerman charged with second degree murder.[/url]

Unless the prosecution has some big smoking gun that nobody else knows about, this is all about pandering to Jesse Jackson and his ilk.

An unbiased witness saw Trayvon beating the shit out of Zimmerman, Zimmerman has a broken nose and wounds to his head that backup his story and the witness', medical records match those wounds, NBC had to doctor the 911 call to make Zimmerman sound racist (Zimmerman actually mentors young black kids), etc.

And again, I think Zimmerman was in the wrong for his initial actions, but he wasn't out to kill this kid, and it wasn't about race despite what Jesse, Al, and NBC say.

I think they filed this big charge so they can try and walk away with manslaughter.

Post by **thibodeaux** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:43 am

I'm sure the DoJ and Eric "My People" Holder were not pushing them AT ALL. I mean, it's not like Zimmerman killed the President's son or anything.

Post by **TheCatt** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:57 am

We know from the 911 calls that Zimmerman instigated the entire affair. We know that he was armed and he had no evidence that Trayvon had committed a crime or was even doing anything wrong.

He looked like he might be on drugs and “up to no good.”

“It’s raining. He’s just walking around, looking about,” Zimmerman told the dispatcher. “He’s just staring looking at all the houses.”

Later, he lamented: “These a**holes always get away.”
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As he narrates where the man was headed, the dispatcher asks, “are you following him?”

“Yeah,” Zimmerman said.

“We don’t need you to do that.”

Even after being instructed to not do what he was doing, he continued.

2nd degree fits. Enjoy prison, bitch.

Post by **thibodeaux** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:14 am

Wrong. We don't know what happened between then and when he started getting the CRAP beat out of him by Martin. Maybe he instigated it: after all, we NEVER hear of a young black man beating up on somebody just for being "disrespected."

Bullshit.

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Post by **thibodeaux** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:20 am

Just for comparison, here's another 2nd degree murder case in Florida:

Details released today in documents by the State Attorney’s Office reveal a catalogue of hundreds of bloody items examined by investigators in the home of a Naples man accused of beheading his girlfriend last July.
...
Among the bloody items are several knives, a Louisville Slugger baseball bat, beer bottles, cigarettes and clothes.

The evidence list also includes two nipples pinned to either side of Serna’s bedroom door frame with white thumb tacks that were sent to the medical examiner’s office.

Several CDs and DVDs are also listed among the items in his home, including movies such as The A-Z Encyclopedia of Serial Killers, The Night Stalker and Blood Feast.

According to reports, deputies who arrived at Serna's apartment early July 26 found him coated in blood and unable to speak. Inside, the floors were covered in gore. Bishop's head was stuck on a pole in the living room. Her nude body was found on the floor in a pool of blood in a bedroom.

Again: BULLSHIT.

Post by **GORDON** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:20 am

Leaving aside the silliness of assuming you know what happened at an event you didn't witness in which there are conflicting reports...

Why in the FUCK would a parent, who just lost a child, be thanking jesus for anything? That's just fucking sick.

[url=http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/ ... killer-tha
nk-you-lord?lite]http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news....rd?lite[/url]

Post by **TheCatt** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:05 am

We have the 911 recordings showing he was following someone he shouldn't have been following, that's initiating the incident. WE KNOW THAT. He ignored the dispatcher, he should have fallen back/left the scene. But, of course, he didn't cuz he was packing a gun and felt bolstered by it. He knew that if shit happened, he could just shoot the guy. He didn't have to worry about a fistfight.

Second Degree Murder is a murder that is not premeditated or planned in advance

How was that incident Thib linked not 1st degree?

Post by **thibodeaux** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:11 am

TheCatt wrote:We have the 911 recordings showing he was following someone he shouldn't have been following, that's initiating the incident. WE KNOW THAT. He ignored the dispatcher, he should have fallen back/left the scene. But, of course, he didn't cuz he was packing a gun and felt bolstered by it. He knew that if shit happened, he could just shoot the guy. He didn't have to worry about a fistfight.

1. I thought this was America: who is "someone you shouldn't be following?"
2. That's NOT initiating an incident. Zimmerman has as much right to walk through his neighborhood as Martin.
3. The dispatcher can't tell you to do squat; they're not the boss of you. This is America, remember?
4. Maybe he was carrying a gun because his neighborhood was frequently targeted by violent felons.
5. We STILL don't know why Martin attacked Zimmerman; maybe Zimmerman started it, and maybe not. Following someone doesn't cut it as provocation.

Post by **GORDON** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:19 pm

Was about to say, "none of that is illegal," but Thib covered it.

Also I read somewhere that there was a bit of a crime wave going on in the neighborhood, and Zimmerman was the one who volunteered when the community wanted to organize a "Crime Watch" thing, and he actually was effective in catching some of the thieves. I have no sources to cite at the moment.

Point being, this isn't some random racist hispanic dude slapping on a 6-shooter and looking for darkies in the night. There is context.

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Post by **GORDON** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:42 pm

Weren't some peeps asking why it isn't called "hate crime" when black people attack white people?

This cop says that to do so would be "race baiting."

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster....-879234

It seems like we treat the black community in this country like children, sometimes. Mustn't upset the delicate, volatile black people, I guess. Is that line of thinking racist, or enlightened?

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Post by **Leisher** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:55 pm

I have to disagree with you Catt.

Following someone because you believe he might be suspicious, while wrong, does not make you guilty of 2nd degree murder if a confrontation with that person ends up with him being dead. This is especially true if HE instigated the confrontation.

I've stated before that Zimmerman was wrong to follow Martin, but honestly, was he? As Thib points out, this is a free country, and he was trying to protect his commuity.

Also, Zimmerman said that when the cops asked him to stop following Zimmerman, he did and was returning to his truck. That's when Martin approached him and initiated contact. According to his story, Martin also threw the first punch, said he would kill him, and slammed Zimmerman's head into the cement.

This story has been mostly proven true by other witnesses and Zimmerman's injuries.

So where is the intent to kill Martin? If there's no intent, it's manslaughter.

So again, unless the prosecutor has a smoking gun that nobody knows about which proves Zimmerman intended to kill Martin, he cannot be convicted of murder.

Manslaughter? Yes. Murder? No.

Post by **TheCatt** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:50 pm

It's certainly a free country, but he was advised to quit doing what he was doing, which certainly makes him eligible for 2nd degree murder, something along the lines of "reckless disregard."

Manslaughter? I'd accept that too.

Scot-free: No.

Also, Zimmerman said that when the cops asked him to stop following Zimmerman, he did and was returning to his truck. That's when Martin approached him and initiated contact. According to his story, Martin also threw the first punch, said he would kill him, and slammed Zimmerman's head into the cement.

If I intentionally killed someone, I would say I was innocent too. I give him 0 credibility.