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You've all heard the story by now, a Florida minister planned to burn a Quran (another article spells it "Koran") and that made people mad.
So many things about this story bother me:
1. Without the MSM making a big deal out of this, nobody in the world would have ever known about it. This clown could have burned 100 Qurans and nobody would have known. Yet again, the MSM is doing what it can to put people in harm's way.
2. This guy is an attention seeking asshole who never should have gotten the spotlight. Is it really this easy to become world wide news?
3. What's to stop anyone else from pulling the same stunt? In fact, if you go on YouTube, I'm sure you can find videos of folks destroying Qurans.
4. Look at how Muslims are reacting to this (protests/riots) and the language they're using (comparing it to the greatest acts of evil known to man). How can people say with a straight face that Islam preaches peace and tolerance? Every time someone farts within 10 feet of a Quran people die. That's not tolerance. Go rub your balls on Buddha's head in front of a Buddhist and see what happens. Hint: Don't expect to see any Buddhist suicide bombers.
5. We're talking about a book that was printed through a very modern process. Was the process and the machines invented by Muslims? Built by Muslims? Are the workers at that printing company Muslim? The fact is that it's essentially a fucking photocopy. Burn one, and they can make 10000 more in a day. Who gives a shit?
6. You want to know why non-Muslims don't buy into the hype of Islam being this beautiful, peaceful, tolerant religion? Because of how they're reacting to some asshole in Florida who wants to set one of a hundred million Qurans on the planet on fire. Meanwhile, the Muslim world either celebrated in the streets or sat in silence as their own fellow believers rammed jets into civilian towers killing 3000+ people.
I know it sounds like I'm picking on Islam here, but I'm not...well not them alone. #6 just really pisses me off.
The MSM needs to step up and offer different voices in the debate. Where's the interviews with other ministers saying "This guy's an asshole. There are thousands more of us and we don't sanction what he's doing." Where are the interviews with Islamic leaders saying, "Fellow Muslims, we've got our own nutjob fringe elements like Osama bin Laden, so don't expect Christians to not have them. Everyone needs to calm down and realize this is just one idiot and not worth rioting over."
I still say the way to end this "holy war" is to do what we did to Japan. Get everyone jobs and then teach them about excesses in life. We nuked Japan. Nuked them. Has anyone ever come for revenge? No. You know why? They're too busy working, getting laid, watching movies, drinking, etc.
Quran Burning
What's the only lesson this country learned from 9/11?
Not all Muslims are violent, and Islam is a religion of peace.
What were the Brits told after they were attacked?
Not all Muslims are violent, and Islam is a religion of peace.
Every time a terrorist does something and claims he did it for the glory of Allah?
Not all Muslims are violent, and Islam is a religion of peace.
When a koran is damaged, and there are riots and hateful words...
Not all Muslims are violent, and Islam is a religion of peace.
Got it, yet?
Not all Muslims are violent, and Islam is a religion of peace.
What were the Brits told after they were attacked?
Not all Muslims are violent, and Islam is a religion of peace.
Every time a terrorist does something and claims he did it for the glory of Allah?
Not all Muslims are violent, and Islam is a religion of peace.
When a koran is damaged, and there are riots and hateful words...
Not all Muslims are violent, and Islam is a religion of peace.
Got it, yet?
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Meanwhile, the Muslim world either celebrated in the streets or sat in silence as their own fellow believers rammed jets into civilian towers killing 3000+ people.
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I still say the way to end this "holy war" is to do what we did to Japan.
Japan was a bit different. Isolated island out in the middle of the ocean that we nuked into submission that had the capacity for industrial infrastructure. The Middle East has crude oil & a shitload of splinter factions that all hate the West only slightly more than they hate each other for shit that went down hundreds or thousands of years ago.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Yeah Malcolm, I saw the press releases too and they're good. My problem is the celebrations in the streets of many Islamic countries. Their leaders are smart enough to put out press releases, but do they speak for all the morons dancing around happy that 3000 innocent people died because of a fairy tale?
And just so we're clear that I'm not picking on Muslims, they just happen to be at the center of this, I'll point a finger at Catholics too. How the fuck can Catholics sit by and watch while the church does everything it can to cover up all these priests molesting children? Or bashing women by saying they can't be priests? Or how about the entirely stupid policy of celibacy period? Or maybe not approving condoms despite their direct correlation to third world poverty and starvation?
Japan wasn't that different. Look at the in fighting within Asia prior to the modern times. Look at Japan's former "honor" system and how it closely resembles extremist Muslims. Japan had a similar culture. Granted their location offers a lot more in resources and opportunities, but the Middle East could find that as well. they simply need to look beyond the oil and figure out what else they have.
Look at Afghanistan and how they just found out that it's crazy rich in certain metals. Distribute that money around the population and it's bye-bye Taliban and extreme Islam. Guaranteed.
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And just so we're clear that I'm not picking on Muslims, they just happen to be at the center of this, I'll point a finger at Catholics too. How the fuck can Catholics sit by and watch while the church does everything it can to cover up all these priests molesting children? Or bashing women by saying they can't be priests? Or how about the entirely stupid policy of celibacy period? Or maybe not approving condoms despite their direct correlation to third world poverty and starvation?
Japan was a bit different. Isolated island out in the middle of the ocean that we nuked into submission that had the capacity for industrial infrastructure. The Middle East has crude oil & a shitload of splinter factions that all hate the West only slightly more than they hate each other for shit that went down hundreds or thousands of years ago.
Japan wasn't that different. Look at the in fighting within Asia prior to the modern times. Look at Japan's former "honor" system and how it closely resembles extremist Muslims. Japan had a similar culture. Granted their location offers a lot more in resources and opportunities, but the Middle East could find that as well. they simply need to look beyond the oil and figure out what else they have.
Look at Afghanistan and how they just found out that it's crazy rich in certain metals. Distribute that money around the population and it's bye-bye Taliban and extreme Islam. Guaranteed.
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I have no comment on this. I just find it interesting.
Memo sent to AP staff
Memo sent to AP staff
From: Kent, Tom
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 11:53 AM
Subject: Standards Center guidance: Planned Sept. 11 Quran burning
Colleagues,
As you know, a group known as the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla., has announced that it intends to burn copies of the Quran on Sept. 11.
In the runup to this event, we've seen a rush of stories, photos and video from points around the world. Let's keep our coverage in proportion. Although many are speculating on the effect the Quran burning could conceivably have, at the moment it's a proposal by a tiny group that may or may not happen.
We plan ONE main spot story on this issue a day. The News Center will coordinate where this story will originate from. Routine spot news -- for instance, comments about the plan by political or other public figures -- should be funneled to the point handling the main story. We should avoid a profusion of separates beyond what any newspaper, website or broadcaster would actually use. This includes stories, photos, audio and video that repeatedly make the same point, for or against the burning. Consult the News Center if you have questions on this.
The concept of this planned event is offensive to many Muslims worldwide. National leaders and spokesmen for other religious denominations have also found the plan repugnant.
Should the event happen on Saturday, the AP will not distribute images or audio that specifically show Qurans being burned, and will not provide detailed text descriptions of the burning. With the exception of these specific images and descriptions, we expect to cover the Gainesville event, in all media, placing the actions of this group of about 50 people in a clear and balanced context.
AP policy is not to provide coverage of events that are gratuitously manufactured to provoke and offend. In the past, AP has declined to provide images of cartoons mocking Islam and Jews. AP has often declined to provide images, audio or detailed descriptions of particularly bloody or grisly scenes, such as the sounds and moments of beheadings and shootings, displays of severed heads on pikes and images of hostages who are displayed by hostage-holders in an effort to intimidate their adversaries and advance their cause. Decisions are made on a case-by-case basis.
From time to time, a member or customer will insist that we distribute offensive material to them so they can make the decision about whether or not to publish it. We’ve had to make clear that a decision to distribute, for us, is the same as a decision to publish for them. We must adhere to our own standards.
Tom
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It is perfectly legal and within their rights to burn those books. I would hate to see them stopped because I don't like limitations on freedom, especially limitations based on people wanting some right to not be offended. That offends me.
On the other hand, I don't like books being burned. It's ingrained in me that all books are in themselves deserving of respect, no matter what is printed in between the covers. In my gut, something magical happens when you put dried wood pulp together with printed text. I have a very hard time disposing of bad books, books so bad I would feel wrong donating them to the library or selling them second-hand. Also I don't like the mentality here; the whole thing is incredibly petty and stupid, and these people are acting like bitchy little three-year-olds.
On the gripping hand, I have no specific respect for so-called "holy" books. If it weren't for my general dislike of burning books I would have no problem with the act itself. Burning a Quran or a Bible or the Talmud does not offend me in the slightest due to religious reasons.
So, I'm mostly ambivalent. At least for now.
On the other hand, I don't like books being burned. It's ingrained in me that all books are in themselves deserving of respect, no matter what is printed in between the covers. In my gut, something magical happens when you put dried wood pulp together with printed text. I have a very hard time disposing of bad books, books so bad I would feel wrong donating them to the library or selling them second-hand. Also I don't like the mentality here; the whole thing is incredibly petty and stupid, and these people are acting like bitchy little three-year-olds.
On the gripping hand, I have no specific respect for so-called "holy" books. If it weren't for my general dislike of burning books I would have no problem with the act itself. Burning a Quran or a Bible or the Talmud does not offend me in the slightest due to religious reasons.
So, I'm mostly ambivalent. At least for now.
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I only read half of this and I don't understand why it is so hard to understand. Take a totally peaceful person. But spit in his face. Try to rape his wife. Hurt his kids and see how long it takes for him to become violent. It isn't just a book with paper in it to them. It is something very dear to them. Just because you don't believe is not a reason to just nevermind its just paper.
In marriage there is always one person right. And the other one is the husband.
We've essentially told the folk who are against burning the U.S. flag at political demonstrations that they're shit out of luck if someone does. This'll probably play out the same way. Maybe the dude won't get arrested, but it's certainly inviting people to do harmful illegal shit just because he'd like to exercise his right to <s>be a media whore</s> free speech.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Sure, but until they understand and respect the basic concept of Freedom of Speech, they will not be able to join the rest of the civilized world.It isn't just a book with paper in it to them. It is something very dear to them. Just because you don't believe is not a reason to just nevermind its just paper.
They say they are not backwards barbarians. And yet from the point of view of the rest of the world that's exactly how they keep acting.
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So you better do what they say or something bad might happen to ya.unkbill wrote:I only read half of this and I don't understand why it is so hard to understand. Take a totally peaceful person. But spit in his face. Try to rape his wife. Hurt his kids and see how long it takes for him to become violent. It isn't just a book with paper in it to them. It is something very dear to them. Just because you don't believe is not a reason to just nevermind its just paper.
America!
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Does he own the book being burned? No.unkbill wrote:I only read half of this and I don't understand why it is so hard to understand. Take a totally peaceful person. But spit in his face. Try to rape his wife. Hurt his kids and see how long it takes for him to become violent. It isn't just a book with paper in it to them. It is something very dear to them. Just because you don't believe is not a reason to just nevermind its just paper.
Did he marry it? No.
If a pastor burned a Koran, but no one was there, would the Muslim even know? No.
Sure, it may be extremely offensive to Muslims, but it's not worth killing anyone over. Period.
It's not me, it's someone else.
Ya I guess this is America so I guess it is your right to ignore the fact that they are people to.GORDON wrote:So you better do what they say or something bad might happen to ya.unkbill wrote:I only read half of this and I don't understand why it is so hard to understand. Take a totally peaceful person. But spit in his face. Try to rape his wife. Hurt his kids and see how long it takes for him to become violent. It isn't just a book with paper in it to them. It is something very dear to them. Just because you don't believe is not a reason to just nevermind its just paper.
America!
In marriage there is always one person right. And the other one is the husband.
Eh... the Catholic church hasn't killed a bunch of people in the name of their religion in a couple hundred years.Leisher wrote:And just so we're clear that I'm not picking on Muslims, they just happen to be at the center of this, I'll point a finger at Catholics too. How the fuck can Catholics sit by and watch while the church does everything it can to cover up all these priests molesting children? Or bashing women by saying they can't be priests? Or how about the entirely stupid policy of celibacy period? Or maybe not approving condoms despite their direct correlation to third world poverty and starvation?
And most Catholics (and priests) were quite upset about the coverup to the scandels that popped up all over with the molestation.
As far as the celibacy and not letting women be priests, that's kind of like joining the NFL and complaining that you have to wear all that equipment and people run into you real hard.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
Eh... the Catholic church hasn't killed a bunch of people in the name of their religion in a couple hundred years.
Yeah, that makes it ok. It happened a couple centuries ago.
And most Catholics (and priests) were quite upset about the coverup to the scandels that popped up all over with the molestation.
Wouldn't've been any scandals had all the other bullshit not been going for for decades.
As far as the celibacy and not letting women be priests, that's kind of like joining the NFL and complaining that you have to wear all that equipment and people run into you real hard.
What?
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."