FCC proposing Net Neutrality rules

Post by **Leisher** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:22 pm

Post by **TPRJones** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:11 pm

Well, crap.

I still think that the major players messing with traffic would be the ideal impetuous to spur on innovation helping move away from needing them in the first place. Necessity is the mother of invention and all that. But no, let's regulate things so they're in status and remove that need to push towards new technologies.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:48 pm

TPRJones wrote:Necessity is the mother of invention and all that.

Sloth is the mother of invention. & people are always plenty lazy.

Post by **TPRJones** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:30 pm

It may be more accurate to say that desperation is the mother of invention. One form desperation can take is the desire to avoid work. Another would be the desire to not have to pay money for crappy service.

Post by **GORDON** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:33 pm

Lack of money is the root of all evil.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:09 am

GORDON wrote:Lack of money is the root of all <s>evil</s>.

Or debt.

Hmm, which technically makes debt = evil.

Post by **GORDON** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:27 am

Well, one could be broke but have no debt... but I wouldn't nitpick your statement.

Post by **TPRJones** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:35 am

True, but one could also become a monk and eschew money. While I think monks are silly, I don't think they are evil.

Post by **TheCatt** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:05 pm

As long as I don't have choices, I'm pro net neutrality.

Post by **TPRJones** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:32 pm

Commie.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:46 pm

On one hand, I despise gov't regulation of all sorts, even if it's for a sane reason. On the other hand, Comcast & Qwest would sodomize each & every broadband user w\ a razorblade dildo given half the chance.

Post by **TPRJones** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:01 pm

Exactly. That's what we need, more customer sodomy! That's the sort of thing that spurs on open source innovations.

Look how well Linux is doing thanks to the actions of Apple and Microsoft.

Post by **TheCatt** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:09 pm

TPRJones wrote:Exactly. That's what we need, more customer sodomy! That's the sort of thing that spurs on open source innovations.

That has worked brilliantly in the cell phone arena.

/sarcasm

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Post by **TPRJones** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:49 pm

A valid point. But I think wifi VOIP phones will fill that need for many people as open public wifi networks become more prevelent.

These things take time.

Post by **TheCatt** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:54 pm

TPRJones wrote:A valid point. But I think wifi VOIP phones will fill that need for many people as open public wifi networks become more prevelent.

These things take time.

WiFi VOIP doesn't work while moving.

Post by **TPRJones** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:57 pm

It could with some tweaking. My Blackberry uses a VOIP-ish service that T-Mobile offers whenever I'm near an open wifi spot. And it can switch from spot to spot smoothly in the middle of a call, so that I never even notice unless I check to see it doing it.

But admittedly it's good quality wide area long-range wifi that will be key to that technical jump.

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Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:36 pm

TPRJones wrote:Exactly. That's what we need, more customer sodomy! That's the sort of thing that spurs on open source innovations.

Look how well Linux is doing thanks to the actions of Apple and Microsoft.

Windows still DOMINATES the OS market. It's not even a remotely close game. I'll say Linux is doing well for a freebie OS, but a well-directed private effort to make one would do better.

Open source solutions often have the problem that they follow the old adage, "You get what you pay for." I prefer well-funded, properly done research & inventions. Open source would have me believe in the inherent goodness of people & their ability to work together as a community. The private sector just requires me to believe that greed keeps people honest.

Post by **TPRJones** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:22 pm

Sure Microsoft still owns the desktop market, but if you look at smart devices and servers and the like, Linux is starting to move towards domination.

Open source can be very good, but it does have it's place. Specifically not in the hands of low-tech end-users. But an open source solution to internet traffic delivery would end up being supported by hardware manufacturers in a plug-n-play model, so I'm not too worried about that problem there.

Open source doesn't have to mean strictly non-profit approaches.

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Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:39 pm

TPRJones wrote:But an open source solution to internet traffic delivery would end up being supported by hardware manufacturers in a plug-n-play model, so I'm not too worried about that problem there.

Eh, maybe.

Post by **TPRJones** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:42 pm

Indeed, it's all speculation. I'm just a cynical optimist: I think that things have to get worse before they inevitably get better.