Hancock
First of all, superheroes are real. Didn't you see the news bit I posted about the growing number of registered superheroes here in the U.S.?
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Secondly, please explain the logic behind the twist.
She loves him more than anything and vice versa, but they become mortal if they're together. That's why they can't be together? WTF? I guess love conquers all, except for the desire to be a god. Romeo and Juliet would not approve.
Hancock is miserable and alone. He doesn't care about the powers. He just wants to be loved. Yet, he happily walks away from the one person who gives him a shot at being happy. Why? Apparently, he wants to be immortal as well.
And why keep those god-like abilities if you're not going to use them?
They're drawn to one another, yet the only way he ever meets her is by her husband's car breaking down on train tracks, the door conveniently not opening, Hancock just happening to come bye, and the husband insisting upon dinner because he also happens to be a PR man?
When they're together they become mortal and lived together that way for centuries? Apparently, mortals are immune to dying of old age!!! Spread the word!!!
If they're immune to old age, what exactly happened to the rest of their kind?
Her and Hancock tear apart downtown LA and nobody cares?
She exhibits all this power in downtown LA and nobody gets a picture or video? In this day and age?
She cancels out his power, but only when the script calls for it. Hancock wasn't missing any powers until the scenes where he's fighting the really, really, really, really poor man's Lex Luthor. Funny how he didn't lose any power earlier when he was around her a lot longer. And don't give me any sort of "maybe the effects take a while" because that would negate his miraculous recovery by simply running away from her.
Plus, and this is key, if they negate one another's powers and turn each other mortal, how in the hell did they manage to fight one another using super powers throughout LA?
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Secondly, please explain the logic behind the twist.
She loves him more than anything and vice versa, but they become mortal if they're together. That's why they can't be together? WTF? I guess love conquers all, except for the desire to be a god. Romeo and Juliet would not approve.
Hancock is miserable and alone. He doesn't care about the powers. He just wants to be loved. Yet, he happily walks away from the one person who gives him a shot at being happy. Why? Apparently, he wants to be immortal as well.
And why keep those god-like abilities if you're not going to use them?
They're drawn to one another, yet the only way he ever meets her is by her husband's car breaking down on train tracks, the door conveniently not opening, Hancock just happening to come bye, and the husband insisting upon dinner because he also happens to be a PR man?
When they're together they become mortal and lived together that way for centuries? Apparently, mortals are immune to dying of old age!!! Spread the word!!!
If they're immune to old age, what exactly happened to the rest of their kind?
Her and Hancock tear apart downtown LA and nobody cares?
She exhibits all this power in downtown LA and nobody gets a picture or video? In this day and age?
She cancels out his power, but only when the script calls for it. Hancock wasn't missing any powers until the scenes where he's fighting the really, really, really, really poor man's Lex Luthor. Funny how he didn't lose any power earlier when he was around her a lot longer. And don't give me any sort of "maybe the effects take a while" because that would negate his miraculous recovery by simply running away from her.
Plus, and this is key, if they negate one another's powers and turn each other mortal, how in the hell did they manage to fight one another using super powers throughout LA?
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She loves him more than anything and vice versa, but they become mortal if they're together. That's why they can't be together? WTF? I guess love conquers all, except for the desire to be a god. Romeo and Juliet would not approve.
They way I understood it think of them as similar to virtual particles, say a proton and anti-proton. Created together they are opposites and thus attract each other, but if they come together it will eventually be their undoing.
Hancock is miserable and alone. He doesn't care about the powers. He just wants to be loved. Yet, he happily walks away from the one person who gives him a shot at being happy. Why? Apparently, he wants to be immortal as well.
The way he was talking, it wasn't so much about being alone (although that was part of it) as it was not knowing. Not knowing who or what he was and not understanding his place in the world. Being alone, too, but in the end just knowing seems to be enough to keep him going and get his shit together.
It was also expressed that he - unlike the rest of these immortals - was created with a purpose; a drive to save humanity. That helps fill the void, once he starts doing it.
And why keep those god-like abilities if you're not going to use them?
She doesn't have that same drive he does. She even said something along the lines of it being right for her to save just a few individuals (she was Ray's "Angel" after all) instead of watching out for everyone like Hancock does.
They're drawn to one another, yet the only way he ever meets her is by her husband's car breaking down on train tracks, the door conveniently not opening, Hancock just happening to come bye, and the husband insisting upon dinner because he also happens to be a PR man?
A convenient coincidence, but then over a long enough stretch of time coincidences become more likely, and they've been playing this cat-and-mouse sort of game for 3000 years. While he was drawn to her in the sense that he felt like something was missing, he had no idea what and thus couldn't actually go looking for her. Thus the depression and alcoholism and whatnot.
When they're together they become mortal and lived together that way for centuries? Apparently, mortals are immune to dying of old age!!! Spread the word!!!
I didn't get that idea at all. From what she told him near the end, every time they came together they ended up nearly being destroyed shortly after. At no point do I recall anything about them ever living together for any length of time, much less centuries.
If they're immune to old age, what exactly happened to the rest of their kind?
They paired up, became mortal, and died of old age. She said if they got together they'd lose their powers and grow old.
Her and Hancock tear apart downtown LA and nobody cares?
She exhibits all this power in downtown LA and nobody gets a picture or video? In this day and age?
Well, yeah, that was a stretch admittedly. I never said it was perfect.
She cancels out his power, but only when the script calls for it. Hancock wasn't missing any powers until the scenes where he's fighting the really, really, really, really poor man's Lex Luthor. Funny how he didn't lose any power earlier when he was around her a lot longer. And don't give me any sort of "maybe the effects take a while" because that would negate his miraculous recovery by simply running away from her.
It was specifically stated that the effects do take awhile. No maybe to it. But, yes, I would agree about the miraculous recovery being too convenient.
Plus, and this is key, if they negate one another's powers and turn each other mortal, how in the hell did they manage to fight one another using super powers throughout LA?
Because the effects take awhile.
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Because it's a movie?
I'm not going to argue the logic of it, because it would be made up stuff. Thus, not logical. I justified everything in my head, my own way. I could explain it to you, but you'd find holes in it. I just took their word for it.
I wonder if it would have been better accepted had Robert Downey played Hancock 'cause there were just as many logic holes in Iron Man as Hancock. But that was a smash hit.
I think Hancock lost points for being marketed as a comedy and people didn't get what they thought they were getting. Also, people don't like/are sick of Will Smith. People are always hatin' on him.
No, it wasn't perfect and straight through logical. But it was entertaining and wasn't too far off from most of the other superhero movies out there.
I'm not going to argue the logic of it, because it would be made up stuff. Thus, not logical. I justified everything in my head, my own way. I could explain it to you, but you'd find holes in it. I just took their word for it.
I wonder if it would have been better accepted had Robert Downey played Hancock 'cause there were just as many logic holes in Iron Man as Hancock. But that was a smash hit.
I think Hancock lost points for being marketed as a comedy and people didn't get what they thought they were getting. Also, people don't like/are sick of Will Smith. People are always hatin' on him.
No, it wasn't perfect and straight through logical. But it was entertaining and wasn't too far off from most of the other superhero movies out there.
Pretty much everything he said. . .
The affects take time to wear off (he was also bruising. She noticed it in the kitchen before the kiss.) He was able to take a guy out with a candy bar, but was no longer bullet proof. But they come back immediately (a precident that was set when she left him in the emergency room and he recovered immediately 80 years ago).
And it's not that different between them and Spiderman/Mary Jane. Love, but can't be together because she's used against him. Charlize even said at one point that "they got to him through her". Or something like that, when she was going through all his scars.
The affects take time to wear off (he was also bruising. She noticed it in the kitchen before the kiss.) He was able to take a guy out with a candy bar, but was no longer bullet proof. But they come back immediately (a precident that was set when she left him in the emergency room and he recovered immediately 80 years ago).
And it's not that different between them and Spiderman/Mary Jane. Love, but can't be together because she's used against him. Charlize even said at one point that "they got to him through her". Or something like that, when she was going through all his scars.
They way I understood it think of them as similar to virtual particles, say a proton and anti-proton. Created together they are opposites and thus attract each other, but if they come together it will eventually be their undoing.
But protons and anti-protons don't choose who they want to be with. She is stating to him they're made for one another on every level, yet she's choosing another? Why? Because she wants to be a god.
It was also expressed that he - unlike the rest of these immortals - was created with a purpose; a drive to save humanity. That helps fill the void, once he starts doing it.
I must have missed the explanation about him being created with that drive. However, it raises a question, what is her drive? Also, if this drive is so powerful in him, why'd he ignore it to live with her (even if you don't remember the centuries thing, the whole movie hinges on them doing so in Miami)? What drive is she ignoring?
A convenient coincidence, but then over a long enough stretch of time coincidences become more likely, and they've been playing this cat-and-mouse sort of game for 3000 years. While he was drawn to her in the sense that he felt like something was missing, he had no idea what and thus couldn't actually go looking for her. Thus the depression and alcoholism and whatnot.
They may have been around for 3000 years, but the recent cat & mouse game has only been played for 80 years. Remember they were living together in Miami when he was attacked. That's what started this all.
I didn't get that idea at all. From what she told him near the end, every time they came together they ended up nearly being destroyed shortly after. At no point do I recall anything about them ever living together for any length of time, much less centuries.
I looked for the quote on imdb, but it's not there. Only one review I googled mentions it, but I don't consider that proof. However, in the same vein, I did find a hilarious review that wonders why these "gods" would live in the U.S. as husband and wife during the 1850s (when their house was burned down) and attempt it again in the 20s or 30s in Miami (when he was beaten). She says they can choose to live anywhere, but they choose to put themselves in the most dangerous situations? Even better was the same reviewer pointing out how Will Smith was racist towards the Vietnamese guys in the opening scene telling them "they all look alike to him".
They paired up, became mortal, and died of old age. She said if they got together they'd lose their powers and grow old.
Let's say you're right about them not living centuries together as "brother and sister, husband and wife" (her words). I have to again ask what her motivation becomes? You say he has a drive to be a superhero, but what is her drive? If her drive is the same as the others, then why is she the one to reject their relationship?
Because the effects take awhile.
I don't remember them saying that. I also can't find that in the imdb quotes. But let's say it is true, then they completely fucked it up in the film. She's not near him for a lot of the time when he gets wounded, then later just by getting a little distance between himself and her, he gains his powers back within seconds? That was utter crap.
Because it's a movie?
I'm not going to argue the logic of it, because it would be made up stuff. Thus, not logical. I justified everything in my head, my own way. I could explain it to you, but you'd find holes in it. I just took their word for it.
A movie is a story someone is telling. If the story doesn't flow logically then I'm not going to be entertained.
Let me tell you a story:
There once was a man from Nantucket who lived in Seattle. He had three sheep. Then one day a witch came and attacked the man and his two sheep because he once farted during dinner when they were on a date. The man and his four sheep survived and continued to live in Los Angeles.
Nobody could enjoy that story, because it makes no sense, and that's why I didn't enjoy Hancock.
I wonder if it would have been better accepted had Robert Downey played Hancock 'cause there were just as many logic holes in Iron Man as Hancock. But that was a smash hit.
Not sure about that Robert Downey remark. Was that meant to be about racism? Because in case you forgot, lots of folks were hating on Robert Downey Jr. due to his numerous arrests and drug use. Iron Man was his "second chance".
And no, there weren't as many logic holes in Iron Man. You can try to attack the "science", but that's their universe and it obeys the rules they've created. The logic holes within Hancock work against the universe they created. That's what is annoying about it.
I think Hancock lost points for being marketed as a comedy and people didn't get what they thought they were getting.
Sometimes that is irritating, yes, but in other cases it works out great. Tropic Thunder and In Bruges are two movies whose marketing did not properly prepare me for what I was going to see, yet I loved both of those movies.
I really did like the first half of Hancock, my position is that it fell apart the minute she went to his trailer to explain what was going on.
Also, people don't like/are sick of Will Smith. People are always hatin' on him
Not me. Outside of his pretty stupid comments on Scientology, cult of the rich and insane, I've never had a problem with the man. I've enjoyed all of his movies, including ones with big plot holes like Independence Day. I even liked I Am Legend despite the source material being far, far superior.
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The still-having-power-though-no-longer-invulnerable thing is a bit of a problem, I admit. With the sort of strength and speed they were flaunting, if the invulnerability slipped then they'd break their bones and snap their tendons doing some of that stuff. You really can't have the one without the other.
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I wish I hadn't already dropped the DVD into the mail back to Netflix so I could check. What I recall of Miami is that they weren't married or living together but had just gotten together for the first time since the 1850s when they were mugged and he was nearly killed. The fire was from the 1850s get-together, which she didn't go into detail about how long they were together just that he'd saved her yet again this time from a fire.
I could be completely misremembering, but their history seemed to make sense at the time I was watching it.
Why is she avoiding him? There I'm not 100% sure, but my guess would be she has been avoiding him all along mostly because he's special and shouldn't become mortal and die so that he can be around to be "the insurance policy" (her words). Then when she fell in love with Ray, she had another reason to stay away. Maybe when Ray's died of old age she'll go looking for Hancock again, or maybe not. Who's to say.
I could be completely misremembering, but their history seemed to make sense at the time I was watching it.
Why is she avoiding him? There I'm not 100% sure, but my guess would be she has been avoiding him all along mostly because he's special and shouldn't become mortal and die so that he can be around to be "the insurance policy" (her words). Then when she fell in love with Ray, she had another reason to stay away. Maybe when Ray's died of old age she'll go looking for Hancock again, or maybe not. Who's to say.
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I wish I hadn't already dropped the DVD into the mail back to Netflix so I could check.
I was thinking the same thing.
Oh well, we can find out when it starts airing on TBS.
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Yeah, she makes some comment about how he or they are destined to survive, but I cant remember the exact words.
She also says they are eternally drawn together, which is why they ended up together in the 1850's and 1920's and again in the 2000's.
I just finished watching the movie, and I really liked it. It was pretty entertaining, you get a hint of what's coming in the middle early on, but not enough, imho, to spoil it. The bad guys fight was a little on the lame side, but that really wasn't the point of the movie.
7/10
She also says they are eternally drawn together, which is why they ended up together in the 1850's and 1920's and again in the 2000's.
I just finished watching the movie, and I really liked it. It was pretty entertaining, you get a hint of what's coming in the middle early on, but not enough, imho, to spoil it. The bad guys fight was a little on the lame side, but that really wasn't the point of the movie.
7/10
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