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I like Negreanu. He's not an ass, has fun, and is scary good at guessing what you're holding.
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
I've been talking more in my table games. (Not so much in the tournaments, unless I'm trying to be an ass.)
One thing I do is guess cards.
I'm not bad at it.
If someone makes a huge pre-flop raise (like an all-in) they have a big pair, Queens, Kings, or Aces.
I almost always tell them that I think they have Kings.
The reason I say Kings is because if I'm wrong, I'm usually wrong by just one place. That sorta gives me partial credit for the guess.
I will modify that guess if I have cards. That is if I had K/Q I'd guess Aces, or if I had A/K I'd guess Queens. Or if I had just an ace I might say, "I don't smell Aces. Pocket Kings or Queens, huh?"
Note: I can only say this before folding if I'm the last to fold, as you can't talk about your hand or your opponent's hand unless you're active in the hand. So if people are left to act behind me, I'll type something long out and post it the instant the action is over.
Another trick I have is not being specific about *who* has the hand. That is, a couple nights ago I was in a three way pot when the other two others got into a pissing contest. I bailed out after my raise was met with a raise and a re-raise. I wrote, "I smell two pair. I had Ace/King. My good hands NEVER pay off." (A/K was top pair, top kicker)
I typed it out ahead of time. The second that the action was over (because the small stack went all-in and he was called) I posted it.
I had no idea who had two pair, but I figured it was likely. And I ended up being right.
In that example the winner, who had two pair, complimented my good read and lay down. The loser's hand wasn't even as good as A/K.
Oh... and I did not have A/K. I was bluffing with nothing.
Yet another prediction trick is to type out a long post so they know that you started it before you saw the cards, and posting it the second you're prediction is shown to be correct. If you're wrong, just delete it.
Anyway, I feel that doing that sort of stuff lets me get away with more stuff.
Edited By Paul on 1189730519
One thing I do is guess cards.
I'm not bad at it.
If someone makes a huge pre-flop raise (like an all-in) they have a big pair, Queens, Kings, or Aces.
I almost always tell them that I think they have Kings.
The reason I say Kings is because if I'm wrong, I'm usually wrong by just one place. That sorta gives me partial credit for the guess.
I will modify that guess if I have cards. That is if I had K/Q I'd guess Aces, or if I had A/K I'd guess Queens. Or if I had just an ace I might say, "I don't smell Aces. Pocket Kings or Queens, huh?"
Note: I can only say this before folding if I'm the last to fold, as you can't talk about your hand or your opponent's hand unless you're active in the hand. So if people are left to act behind me, I'll type something long out and post it the instant the action is over.
Another trick I have is not being specific about *who* has the hand. That is, a couple nights ago I was in a three way pot when the other two others got into a pissing contest. I bailed out after my raise was met with a raise and a re-raise. I wrote, "I smell two pair. I had Ace/King. My good hands NEVER pay off." (A/K was top pair, top kicker)
I typed it out ahead of time. The second that the action was over (because the small stack went all-in and he was called) I posted it.
I had no idea who had two pair, but I figured it was likely. And I ended up being right.
In that example the winner, who had two pair, complimented my good read and lay down. The loser's hand wasn't even as good as A/K.
Oh... and I did not have A/K. I was bluffing with nothing.
Yet another prediction trick is to type out a long post so they know that you started it before you saw the cards, and posting it the second you're prediction is shown to be correct. If you're wrong, just delete it.
Anyway, I feel that doing that sort of stuff lets me get away with more stuff.
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I like Negreanu too.Leisher wrote:I like Negreanu. He's not an ass, has fun, and is scary good at guessing what you're holding.
I've read all of his blog. I think he's a genuinely nice guy. If he has any fault, it's trying to please too many people.
He's a vegetarian, but isn't an ass about it. He keeps meat and stuff at his house for other people.
Yeah, he's pretty liberal, but again, he's not an ass about it.
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I'm no Pokertime now:
> Game # 1,611,528,994 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards(Js 10h )
> Cblainea folded
> MwRStepback raised for 100
> kisama called for 100
> MNrugger folded
> birdiegirl44 folded
> dannoh folded
> jls20105 folded
> SvgePenguin raised for 200
> vlucky1 folded
> C-M-B folded
> MwRStepback called for 100
> kisama called for 100
> Dealing the Flop(Qh Kd 9d )
> MwRStepback went all-in for 640
> kisama called for 640
SvgePenguin> nuts
> SvgePenguin went all-in for 835
> kisama called for 195
> Dealing the turn(Jh )
> Dealing the river(9s )
> SvgePenguin wins 2,985 with a Straight, King high
> MwRStepback has left the tournament in 2365th place
>SvgePenguin> Told you
Leisher wrote:I like Negreanu. He's not an ass, has fun, and is scary good at guessing what you're holding.
Since you just got knocked out (your 10/10 against his pocket aces), check out Negreanu. He's playing now and he's up about $17k (assuming he did his normal $20k buy-in).
Edit: WTF? Check this out...
$tinger 88 raised, Negreanu re-raised, and Empire2000 re-raised.
$tinger 88 responds by going all-in.
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Okay folds, what have I said about people who go all-in pre-flop at table games? People don't do it unless they have Aces, Kings or Queens. And with two people who have already bet into the pot, you know they have some sort of hand, so the all-in is especially strong.
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Negreanu goes into the tank. I think he had pocket 10's or some other medium pocket pair. He waited awhile to show that he had a hand, then mucked. No surprise.
Then Empire2000 went into the tank. I expected a fold, but he called for over $13k... with Jack/Jack!
I wonder what Negreanu had? If he had A/K I bet he was kicking himself.
PokerStars Game #12043837537: Hold'em No Limit ($100/$200) - 2007/09/13 - 21:47:11 (ET)
Table 'Subra' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: $tinger 88 ($20000 in chips)
Seat 3: KidPoker ($35182 in chips)
Seat 5: Empire2000 ($22564 in chips)
Seat 7: p3achy_keen ($32970 in chips)
Seat 9: ADZ124 ($22100 in chips)
Empire2000: posts small blind $100
p3achy_keen: posts big blind $200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
ADZ124: folds
$tinger 88: raises $400 to $600
KidPoker: raises $1400 to $2000
Empire2000: raises $4400 to $6400
p3achy_keen: folds
$tinger 88: raises $13600 to $20000 and is all-in
KidPoker said, "??????????????"
KidPoker: folds
Empire2000: calls $13600
*** FLOP *** [Ah 2s 4d]
*** TURN *** [Ah 2s 4d] [As]
*** RIVER *** [Ah 2s 4d As] [2c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Empire2000: shows [Jc Jh] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
$tinger 88: shows [Qh Qc] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
$tinger 88 collected $42195 from pot
Here's another goody if you're a Negreanu fan:
PokerStars Game #12044144979: Hold'em No Limit ($100/$200) - 2007/09/13 - 22:04:08 (ET)
Table 'Subra' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: $tinger 88 ($41395 in chips)
Seat 3: KidPoker ($27978 in chips)
Seat 5: Empire2000 ($22844 in chips)
Seat 7: p3achy_keen ($36656 in chips)
$tinger 88: posts small blind $100
KidPoker: posts big blind $200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Empire2000: folds
p3achy_keen: folds
$tinger 88: raises $600 to $800
KidPoker: calls $600
*** FLOP *** [8s 5h As]
$tinger 88: bets $1200
KidPoker: calls $1200
*** TURN *** [8s 5h As] [Ks]
$tinger 88: bets $3600
KidPoker: calls $3600
*** RIVER *** [8s 5h As Ks] [6s]
$tinger 88: bets $10200
KidPoker said, "lol no way"
KidPoker said, "I just dont buy it"
KidPoker said, "you ALWAYS have a Q hi flush?"
KidPoker: calls $10200
*** SHOW DOWN ***
$tinger 88: shows [9c Td] (high card Ace)
KidPoker: shows [Ad 6c] (two pair, Aces and Sixes)
KidPoker collected $31595 from pot
KidPoker said, "guess not"
KidPoker said, ":-)"
p3achy_keen said, "vnc"
Empire2000 said, "ya"
Empire2000 is a slow learner:
PokerStars Game #12044291481: Hold'em No Limit ($100/$200) - 2007/09/13 - 22:12:18 (ET)
Table 'Subra' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: $tinger 88 ($26190 in chips)
Seat 3: KidPoker ($42669 in chips)
Seat 5: Empire2000 ($23639 in chips)
Seat 7: p3achy_keen ($36356 in chips)
Empire2000: posts small blind $100
p3achy_keen: posts big blind $200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
$tinger 88: raises $400 to $600
KidPoker: raises $1400 to $2000
Empire2000: raises $4400 to $6400
p3achy_keen: folds
$tinger 88: folds
KidPoker: raises $36269 to $42669 and is all-in
Empire2000: calls $17239 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [6d Td 8h]
*** TURN *** [6d Td 8h] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [6d Td 8h 5c] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Empire2000: shows [Kd Ah] (high card Ace)
KidPoker: shows [Qc Qs] (a pair of Queens)
KidPoker collected $48073 from pot
KidPoker said, "phew"
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I got bored. I honestly can't pay attention to online poker. Every time I'm playing I'm in two tournaments, watching TV, and playing X-Box. Really. I don't pay attention to the other people at all. I just play the cards.
I like sitting at a table and interacting with other people. Looking at people's stupid icons isn't the same. Plus, internet players generally suck donkey dick and I still stand by my belief that "random chance" doesn't exist online. I've been playing for a few weeks now and I've had pocket Kings several times and not one of them has ever held up. They always lose to an ace on the flop. Bullshit. The odds of that are ridiculous.
Still, I'll play every chance I get in those tournaments because: 1. It's poker 2. It's gambling 3. It's at least somewhat of a warm up for my poker league which starts in October.
I like sitting at a table and interacting with other people. Looking at people's stupid icons isn't the same. Plus, internet players generally suck donkey dick and I still stand by my belief that "random chance" doesn't exist online. I've been playing for a few weeks now and I've had pocket Kings several times and not one of them has ever held up. They always lose to an ace on the flop. Bullshit. The odds of that are ridiculous.
Still, I'll play every chance I get in those tournaments because: 1. It's poker 2. It's gambling 3. It's at least somewhat of a warm up for my poker league which starts in October.
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
I think you were playing too conservative for a free game. Personally, I like to get a big stack early or get knocked out.
If I think I have the best cards, I'm all-in. A lucky streak means I have a monster stack, which means that I can start playing smart and don't have to make as many risky moves later (when you have time invested). Plus people call you with crap earlier in the tournaments.
And if I lose... well... no biggie. I just move to another tournament.
Also, it's harder to get bored when you have a ton of chips. When you know you have a good chance at cashing it's extra incentive.
I'm not a fan of fighting hard with little chance of winning.
Again, you need to check out the Pokertime freeroll. You can do that and Pokerstars at the same time.
Edited By Paul on 1189735994
If I think I have the best cards, I'm all-in. A lucky streak means I have a monster stack, which means that I can start playing smart and don't have to make as many risky moves later (when you have time invested). Plus people call you with crap earlier in the tournaments.
And if I lose... well... no biggie. I just move to another tournament.
Also, it's harder to get bored when you have a ton of chips. When you know you have a good chance at cashing it's extra incentive.
I'm not a fan of fighting hard with little chance of winning.
Again, you need to check out the Pokertime freeroll. You can do that and Pokerstars at the same time.
Edited By Paul on 1189735994
I think you were playing too conservative for a free game.
Well, as I said, I'm warming up for poker league. But I'll give your style a shot over the next week. So, what do you do? All in on the first hand no matter what? How many times do you go all in early? Are you doing it pre-flop or waiting for something big?
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
No. I don't go all-in with *anything*, especially not in the Pokertime game.Leisher wrote:Well, as I said, I'm warming up for poker league. But I'll give your style a shot over the next week. So, what do you do? All in on the first hand no matter what? How many times do you go all in early? Are you doing it pre-flop or waiting for something big?I think you were playing too conservative for a free game.
Early on I'll go all in with:
Any pair
Ace/10+
K/Q
If someone makes a big bet ahead of me, especially an all-in, I'm less likely to make the call. Ideally I want to be the first person to act. (This is short-stack strategy)
If I think I can steal, I'll shove all-in and show that I'm thief. For example, if I'm the BB and only have one limper, or if I'm the SB or button and everyone else has folded, I'll shove all-in with 7/2.
I'm hoping they fold, so I can show my bluff to the table, thereby encouraging action later. Sometimes people call though, and if my 7/2 beats their Q/Q or whatever I act obnoxious to draw attention to what a lousy player I am.
Yes, people call all-in's early in the tournament. But surprisingly they also call them all through the tournament.
Once you get a nice stack of chips you can sit back and turn into an all-or-nothing machine. People will call. No, not every hand, but enough to keep you in good position.
Hey, Daniel highlighted one of the hands I posted in his blog today.
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Paul wrote:PokerStars Game #12044144979: Hold'em No Limit ($100/$200) - 2007/09/13 - 22:04:08 (ET)
Table 'Subra' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: $tinger 88 ($41395 in chips)
Seat 3: KidPoker ($27978 in chips)
Seat 5: Empire2000 ($22844 in chips)
Seat 7: p3achy_keen ($36656 in chips)
$tinger 88: posts small blind $100
KidPoker: posts big blind $200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Empire2000: folds
p3achy_keen: folds
$tinger 88: raises $600 to $800
KidPoker: calls $600
*** FLOP *** [8s 5h As]
$tinger 88: bets $1200
KidPoker: calls $1200
*** TURN *** [8s 5h As] [Ks]
$tinger 88: bets $3600
KidPoker: calls $3600
*** RIVER *** [8s 5h As Ks] [6s]
$tinger 88: bets $10200
KidPoker said, "lol no way"
KidPoker said, "I just dont buy it"
KidPoker said, "you ALWAYS have a Q hi flush?"
KidPoker: calls $10200
*** SHOW DOWN ***
$tinger 88: shows [9c Td] (high card Ace)
KidPoker: shows [Ad 6c] (two pair, Aces and Sixes)
KidPoker collected $31595 from pot
KidPoker said, "guess not"
KidPoker said, ":-)"
p3achy_keen said, "vnc"
Empire2000 said, "ya"
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Sunday, September 16, 2007, four minutes after midnight.
I just popped my cherry.
I will never get a better hand.
Twenty minutes earlier I'd had my best hand of the week when my 9/9 hit a 2/9/9 flop. Someone called my all-in on the river with a pair of threes, doubling me up to 20k.
I had been getting some sick beats earlier in the games that matter. I'm hoping that this grossly lucky streak carries on.
I just popped my cherry.
I will never get a better hand.
Twenty minutes earlier I'd had my best hand of the week when my 9/9 hit a 2/9/9 flop. Someone called my all-in on the river with a pair of threes, doubling me up to 20k.
I had been getting some sick beats earlier in the games that matter. I'm hoping that this grossly lucky streak carries on.
I only hit freerolls today... until this evening when I hit a real tables. Would my lucky steak continue?
I was doing my thing, but they kept catching hands. I think I got out of quite a few bad places.
I was down about about 15% of my original stack, but managed to work that back up to close to even.
Then I got K/K. A brand new person to the table raised to 5 bb's (big blinds). He was directly on my right.
(FYI: New people are often too aggressive. I don't give them as much credit.)
I raised to 9 bb's.
The woman directly on my left raised 13 bb's.
The new guy went all-in for 50 bb's.
I went all-in for 140-something bb's.
The lady on my left called, contributing 62 bb's.
Since I had the most chips, I instantly got all but 62 bb's back.
Now the new guy could have had anything. They're aggressive schmucks. I wouldn't be surprised if he had 7/7.
The woman on my left... well... after she made the call I figured she had A/A, Q/Q, or J/J. I mean, if she thought the new guy was full of crap, and that I was trying to isolate myself with him by shoving all-in (I had been stealing pots) a J/J call wouldn't be too stupid.
The flop was: Q/8/6
Crap. If she had A/A, I was dead meat anyway. But if she had Q/Q she just sucked out on me. Doh!
The turn was: K
Beautiful!
The river was a meaningless 9.
Their cards: The lady had A/A. The noob had A/J.
I cleaned up, quitting the game before I had to post the next big blind. My lucky streak continues!
I was doing my thing, but they kept catching hands. I think I got out of quite a few bad places.
I was down about about 15% of my original stack, but managed to work that back up to close to even.
Then I got K/K. A brand new person to the table raised to 5 bb's (big blinds). He was directly on my right.
(FYI: New people are often too aggressive. I don't give them as much credit.)
I raised to 9 bb's.
The woman directly on my left raised 13 bb's.
The new guy went all-in for 50 bb's.
I went all-in for 140-something bb's.
The lady on my left called, contributing 62 bb's.
Since I had the most chips, I instantly got all but 62 bb's back.
Now the new guy could have had anything. They're aggressive schmucks. I wouldn't be surprised if he had 7/7.
The woman on my left... well... after she made the call I figured she had A/A, Q/Q, or J/J. I mean, if she thought the new guy was full of crap, and that I was trying to isolate myself with him by shoving all-in (I had been stealing pots) a J/J call wouldn't be too stupid.
The flop was: Q/8/6
Crap. If she had A/A, I was dead meat anyway. But if she had Q/Q she just sucked out on me. Doh!
The turn was: K
Beautiful!
The river was a meaningless 9.
Their cards: The lady had A/A. The noob had A/J.
I cleaned up, quitting the game before I had to post the next big blind. My lucky streak continues!
I *thought* I mentioned Annette_15 here, but can't find the reference.
Anyway, she is a 19 year old European player who played freerolls and used he winnings to play $ tournaments. She became the best online tournament player, making over $300,000 in one month.
Well, since the World Series of Poker just started an annual European leg, she entered that. In Europe you only need to be 18 to play.
She got to the final table of the Main Event and finished a respectable...
Anyway, she is a 19 year old European player who played freerolls and used he winnings to play $ tournaments. She became the best online tournament player, making over $300,000 in one month.
Well, since the World Series of Poker just started an annual European leg, she entered that. In Europe you only need to be 18 to play.
She got to the final table of the Main Event and finished a respectable...
Played on Pokertime last night and won $1. Finished 100 or so out of 6000 players in the freeroll.
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
Awesome.Leisher wrote:Played on Pokertime last night and won $1. Finished 100 or so out of 6000 players in the freeroll.
I told you it was a beatable game.
They have $.90 + $.10 sit & go's if you want to blow it somewhere. Or you can build a bankroll.
I have left $3.25 I think. I blew my first $1 on the sit & go.
I'm going to play freerolls while I can and build it up for a bit. Then I'll probably dive into the Sit and Gos.
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
I won't be on in time for the freerolls tonight. Well... maybe. It'll be close. I'll most likely miss Pokerstars, but I can probably hit Pokertime.
You should have seen the suckout I made last night on Pokertime. I thought everyone would fold to me so I went all-in with 8/3 off. I was called by A/A and 9/9, and ended up hitting a straight on the river. The guy with nines flopped three of a kind, so I'm sure he was happy for a few seconds. Ha ha ha!
Then I hit a bad luck streak where I lost three all-in's in a row, when I was the favorite, to knock me out of the tournament. Oh well.
Now that I know you're in the freerolls, maybe that'll motivate me to do better.
Edited By Paul on 1190061860
You should have seen the suckout I made last night on Pokertime. I thought everyone would fold to me so I went all-in with 8/3 off. I was called by A/A and 9/9, and ended up hitting a straight on the river. The guy with nines flopped three of a kind, so I'm sure he was happy for a few seconds. Ha ha ha!
Then I hit a bad luck streak where I lost three all-in's in a row, when I was the favorite, to knock me out of the tournament. Oh well.
Now that I know you're in the freerolls, maybe that'll motivate me to do better.
Edited By Paul on 1190061860
Balls!
I had pocket 10's and made trips.
He had pocket Jacks and made trips.
I blew my bankroll allowance for the day. That hasn't happened in a long time. >:p
On the plus side, I hit the play money tables with 30k and turned that into 130k. Last time I turned 10k into 60k.
Now that I'm close to 200k in free chips, I might start playing more play chip games, as it's an ego boost. Besides, I'm curious about selling my chips to one of these places:
http://pschipsource.com/ $1 per 100,000 chips
http://www.onlinepokergoods.net/ $2.50 per 250,000 chips
http://www.tradeyourchips.com/ $10 per 1,000,000 chips
http://www.pokerhex.com/sellps.html $.70 per 100,000 chips
http://www.pschips4you.com/sellchips.html $1 per 100,000 chips
It'd be cool to make 1,000,000 chips. I don't know if I have the dedication to get there though. I always seem to get a big stack of play chips, then I blow them with dumb place.
Of course, now that I know I can sell them, maybe the chips won't seem as meaningless and I'll hold onto them a bit longer?
Edited By Paul on 1190120943
I had pocket 10's and made trips.
He had pocket Jacks and made trips.
I blew my bankroll allowance for the day. That hasn't happened in a long time. >:p
On the plus side, I hit the play money tables with 30k and turned that into 130k. Last time I turned 10k into 60k.
Now that I'm close to 200k in free chips, I might start playing more play chip games, as it's an ego boost. Besides, I'm curious about selling my chips to one of these places:
http://pschipsource.com/ $1 per 100,000 chips
http://www.onlinepokergoods.net/ $2.50 per 250,000 chips
http://www.tradeyourchips.com/ $10 per 1,000,000 chips
http://www.pokerhex.com/sellps.html $.70 per 100,000 chips
http://www.pschips4you.com/sellchips.html $1 per 100,000 chips
It'd be cool to make 1,000,000 chips. I don't know if I have the dedication to get there though. I always seem to get a big stack of play chips, then I blow them with dumb place.
Of course, now that I know I can sell them, maybe the chips won't seem as meaningless and I'll hold onto them a bit longer?
Edited By Paul on 1190120943
I'll probably be on the Pokertime freeroll and the Pokerstars 9:00 freeroll tonight. I'm going to play fast though. Lots of early all ins.
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
I *always* forget to sing up for the 9:00 $200 Pokerstars freeroll.
My "plan" for the night (and most nights) is to hit the 6:00 freeroll if I can manage to sign up at 3:00. (33% chance of that though)
Also, to hit the 8:30 freerolls on PS & PT.
The early stages of the tournament are all about doubling up multiple times. I either build a big stack or I get to do something else. My goal is to avoid working too hard.
I think I'll hit the play money tables after I get knocked out of the freerolls. I'd like to build my stack to something decent.
My "plan" for the night (and most nights) is to hit the 6:00 freeroll if I can manage to sign up at 3:00. (33% chance of that though)
Also, to hit the 8:30 freerolls on PS & PT.
The early stages of the tournament are all about doubling up multiple times. I either build a big stack or I get to do something else. My goal is to avoid working too hard.
I think I'll hit the play money tables after I get knocked out of the freerolls. I'd like to build my stack to something decent.
