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Due my recent interest in graphic novels, thanks to all the comic movies that have come out and my former hobby, I have been following Civil War. It's quite interesting.
Big Marvel Event
Yeah, he was talked into it by Iron Man who is bank rolling Spidey's family right now.
Meanwhile, Captain America is the leader of the resistance and the big name with him is Wolverine.
It's actually well written in a lot of ways.
-Take two characters who aren't the biggest but are still icons and make them the figureheads in this storyline (Iron Man vs. Captain America)
-Second them with the company's biggest characters...one for each side. (Spiderman and Wolverine)
-Take the symbol of America (in the Marvel universe), Captain America and have him be against his country's stance. Meanwhile taking the symbol of corporate America (again, in the Marvel Universe), Iron Man and ally him with the government's stance.
-Captain America is usually written as a moral high ground guy. Flag and Country and all that, but in this storyline he is defending personal freedoms against the government he has long served.
Should be interesting to see who Marvel lets win the day.
Meanwhile, Captain America is the leader of the resistance and the big name with him is Wolverine.
It's actually well written in a lot of ways.
-Take two characters who aren't the biggest but are still icons and make them the figureheads in this storyline (Iron Man vs. Captain America)
-Second them with the company's biggest characters...one for each side. (Spiderman and Wolverine)
-Take the symbol of America (in the Marvel universe), Captain America and have him be against his country's stance. Meanwhile taking the symbol of corporate America (again, in the Marvel Universe), Iron Man and ally him with the government's stance.
-Captain America is usually written as a moral high ground guy. Flag and Country and all that, but in this storyline he is defending personal freedoms against the government he has long served.
Should be interesting to see who Marvel lets win the day.
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
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Is this the same storyline?
You know what's funny?
Kind of like how they treat gun owners in some places, ain't it? I've never seen a comic book denounce gun control. But since it's BUSHITLER! BUSHITLER! BUSHITLER!, now all of a sudden rights are important.
You know what's funny?
In Marvel Comics’ — ahem — “Civil War” story arc, the U.S. government passes the “Superhuman Registration Act” after hundreds of innocent American men, women and children become collateral damage in a superhero-related tragedy (the president of the United States even swings by the disaster site to assess the damage). The act mandates registration of all superheroes with the government.
Kind of like how they treat gun owners in some places, ain't it? I've never seen a comic book denounce gun control. But since it's BUSHITLER! BUSHITLER! BUSHITLER!, now all of a sudden rights are important.
Eh...that article isn't truly accurate as to what's going on in the storyline. Nor does it properly show exactly how the storyline came about or how each view is being presented. I'm say that article is pretty biased and while they found a quote to latch themselves onto so they can wave their political flags, it doesn't paint the full picture.
The truth is that there are multiple viewpoints going on. Each writer is responsible for his own character dealing with the issue, however Mark Millar (a liberal), has the overall say so on the storyline. He's the one who came up with that little speech I'm sure.
The storyline itself spawned from someone else saying the words "Civil War" during a meeting about upcoming books. Civil War wasn't even planned until someone said a Civil War among the heroes would be interesting. So no, it wasn't born as a way of protesting Bush.
It's actually been pretty funny to watch how Millar tries to paint Iron Man's side (pro-reg) as the bad guys. He has them imprisoning people like stated in the article, but he also has them creating clones to fight for them, using villains to fight for them, and has had them kill another hero (portrayed as a mistake, but still...). The funniest bit is that Millar has really leaned on the missing laptop story (with the millions of vets data) to push the anti-reg side. They've used that as an argument against registration a few times in the storyline.
Millar, obviously, is trying to push his own politics into the storyline, but there are other writers and characters involved too as that article fails to point out. Thus, the overall feel and the majority of the characters has made this storyline anything but an agenda against Bush and Camp X-Ray, etc.
For example: Wolverine, whom I mistakenly assumed would be fighting with Captain America. He didn't choose a side, but rather went after the person responsible for the explosion in the first place. That's a statement all by itself. He felt everyone else getting wrapped up playing politics was missing the bigger issue: Someone killed innocent people and they need to pay. And at the end of his storyline, he did kill someone to make them pay and it was not judged as the wrong move in the story.
Also, there's a reporter featured in a companion series called "Frontline" who is writing an anti-reg story for her paper and meets with Captain America, the poster boy of the left in Millar's vision and she walks out on him after realizing his reasons for fighting the war are stupid and pointless. In other words, they use her character to prove the other side of the argument is as full of holes in logic and principle as the pro side.
In a different one shot called Casualties of War or something like that the pro side is shown trying to make a deal with a crime lord to help capture the anti side. Basically, they were showing how far the pro side would go. The final two pages however reveal that the anti side already made a deal with that very crime lord.
So, while that article proclaims Civil War to be an anti-Bush thing, I think they need to read more than one issue to make a determination.
It's like a critic writing a review of a movie based on a trailer.
The truth is that there are multiple viewpoints going on. Each writer is responsible for his own character dealing with the issue, however Mark Millar (a liberal), has the overall say so on the storyline. He's the one who came up with that little speech I'm sure.
The storyline itself spawned from someone else saying the words "Civil War" during a meeting about upcoming books. Civil War wasn't even planned until someone said a Civil War among the heroes would be interesting. So no, it wasn't born as a way of protesting Bush.
It's actually been pretty funny to watch how Millar tries to paint Iron Man's side (pro-reg) as the bad guys. He has them imprisoning people like stated in the article, but he also has them creating clones to fight for them, using villains to fight for them, and has had them kill another hero (portrayed as a mistake, but still...). The funniest bit is that Millar has really leaned on the missing laptop story (with the millions of vets data) to push the anti-reg side. They've used that as an argument against registration a few times in the storyline.
Millar, obviously, is trying to push his own politics into the storyline, but there are other writers and characters involved too as that article fails to point out. Thus, the overall feel and the majority of the characters has made this storyline anything but an agenda against Bush and Camp X-Ray, etc.
For example: Wolverine, whom I mistakenly assumed would be fighting with Captain America. He didn't choose a side, but rather went after the person responsible for the explosion in the first place. That's a statement all by itself. He felt everyone else getting wrapped up playing politics was missing the bigger issue: Someone killed innocent people and they need to pay. And at the end of his storyline, he did kill someone to make them pay and it was not judged as the wrong move in the story.
Also, there's a reporter featured in a companion series called "Frontline" who is writing an anti-reg story for her paper and meets with Captain America, the poster boy of the left in Millar's vision and she walks out on him after realizing his reasons for fighting the war are stupid and pointless. In other words, they use her character to prove the other side of the argument is as full of holes in logic and principle as the pro side.
In a different one shot called Casualties of War or something like that the pro side is shown trying to make a deal with a crime lord to help capture the anti side. Basically, they were showing how far the pro side would go. The final two pages however reveal that the anti side already made a deal with that very crime lord.
So, while that article proclaims Civil War to be an anti-Bush thing, I think they need to read more than one issue to make a determination.
It's like a critic writing a review of a movie based on a trailer.
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
People like this always see everything in the light they want to see it in. He starts out with:
I'm sure he could just as easily and just as accurately start out a story with:
I'm sure if Rosie O'Donnell read it she'd scream about the anti-gay agenda in it.
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It’s hard not to think of the Bush administration when thumbing through the latest “The Amazing Spider-Man” comic.
I'm sure he could just as easily and just as accurately start out a story with:
It’s hard not to think of the Bush administration when drinking your morning orange juice.
...
It’s hard not to think of the Bush administration when watching children play in the park.
...
It’s hard not to think of the Bush administration when sitting at a stop light waiting for it to change.
I'm sure if Rosie O'Donnell read it she'd scream about the anti-gay agenda in it.
Edited By TPRJones on 1167852535
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Another little tidbit is that the Punisher, a human with no "powers" who kills people in the name of justice, has joined the anti-reg side.
His whole character is anti-liberalism.
Exactly. Take ANY story and I'll show you someone who thinks it symbolizes some political belief.
His whole character is anti-liberalism.
People like this always see everything in the light they want to see it in.
Exactly. Take ANY story and I'll show you someone who thinks it symbolizes some political belief.
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell