Leisher wrote:SPOILERS GALORE FOR THE WHOLE FIRST SEASON!!!!
I've emailed someone to confirm, but the entire CDC thing and Dr. Jennings was not in the books. No "the French were close to a cure". No whispering in Rick's ear. No lady staying behind to die. No attempted rape of Laurie by Shane. No Shane telling Laurie Rick was dead. No attempted rescue of Rick at the hospital by Shane.
All of that was new to me, which is cool.
What wasn't new, and I'd have to go back to see the exact specifics, but Dale's speech and rescue of Andrea was in the books, just not the same way it went down on the show, obviously.
Ok...just did a little research and here's why things have played out the way they have:
-The CDC thing was Frank Darabont's idea (big wig on the show and wrote three episodes this season). He said if something like this happened, and they were in Atlanta, wouldn't you seek out the CDC? Makes sense.
-Them driving away in the RV at the end puts them right back on track with the books.
-Ok, if you're trying to avoid ALL spoilers for future seasons, you may want to skip this bullet point as it may help you piece together a spoiler. With the obvious exception being a few characters. One should already be dead and a few others don't exist in the book. Robert Kirkman explained that the one character who died in the books that is still alive on the show is being fleshed out more in the show because they have time to tell the story. In the books, he rushed things early on because he didn't know if he was about to be canceled or not.
As for season 2, if they are heading back to the books, I know where they should end up almost right away (a bunch of new characters), and most likely where season 2 will end. If I'm right season 3 is going to be awesome...and bloody.
So much more to discuss and speculate on, but I don't want to spoil things for anyone.
Man, I hope it's not Darryl. He is the best character on the show.
I loved him just hacking away at the door when they were talking to the doctor. After it opened, he looked all pleased with himself.
If anyone here must know something about a specific thing in the show, IM me. I'm not going to break down the entire storyline, but I'll give a yes or no answer. (I might even just give you a "?" response if the character doesn't exist in the books.)
Same deal I gave my wife who wanted to know about someone's future.
Of course, keep in mind that they could change the storyline.
Oh, and if you're watching and you see Robert Kirkman's name credited as being the writer of that episode, prepare for death. Apparently, the episodes he wants to write are when members of the cast get killed.
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Leisher wrote:If anyone here must know something about a specific thing in the show, IM me. I'm not going to break down the entire storyline, but I'll give a yes or no answer. (I might even just give you a "?" response if the character doesn't exist in the books.)
Same deal I gave my wife who wanted to know about someone's future.
Of course, keep in mind that they could change the storyline.
Oh, and if you're watching and you see Robert Kirkman's name credited as being the writer of that episode, prepare for death. Apparently, the episodes he wants to write are when members of the cast get killed.
Ick, I don't want to know what happens, that would ruin it.
I would much rather come up with random bogus theories in the next 10 months and not touch the comics.
Leisher wrote:Same deal I gave my wife who wanted to know about someone's future.
You make your wife IM you?
As to "changes", would you say that so far the changes mesh with the original? I mean, sure, we're getting this whole CDC thing which wasn't in the books, but could have been a piece he decided not to tell before and this new episode of the story still fits in line with the established story. And maybe some things from the books haven't happened in the show but maybe we've just decided not to tell that piece here.
Is there anything that has flat out contradicted the books, in a way that makes it impossible to mesh the two stories? Even accounting for some leeway for "unreliable narrator" (maybe the books and the series are being told by two different "storytellers", and they each remember it a little differently in minor ways, but nothing so major as to make it clearly a different story about different people that just happen to have the same names)?
Basically, I find myself curious about how this show is meshing in with the discussion on the first page of this thread.
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As to "changes", would you say that so far the changes mesh with the original? I mean, sure, we're getting this whole CDC thing which wasn't in the books, but could have been a piece he decided not to tell before and this new episode of the story still fits in line with the established story. And maybe some things from the books haven't happened in the show but maybe we've just decided not to tell that piece here.
Yes. When the RV rolls away from the CDC, we're right back on track with the books. Again, except for characters.
The characters that are in the books are acting EXACTLY like they do in the books. However, the unknowns are just that. I figured they were season one filler and they'd all be killed off, but that only happened with one, while another's status is unclear. I really have no idea what is going on with them.
Is there anything that has flat out contradicted the books, in a way that makes it impossible to mesh the two stories? Even accounting for some leeway for "unreliable narrator" (maybe the books and the series are being told by two different "storytellers", and they each remember it a little differently in minor ways, but nothing so major as to make it clearly a different story about different people that just happen to have the same names)?
Yes and no. There has been one event this season that was a pretty big deal that actually happens to someone else in the books. (That's all the details you need to avoid spoilers.)
So that's the "biggest yes", but it's not that big of a yes.
Other things were right out of the book.
-Rick waking up in the hospital (although, that cafeteria door opened in the book).
-The zombie in the park that he killed.
-The black guy and his son (I'm forgetting his name.) he met in town are in the book.
-The horse
-The suicide where he found the horse.
-Meeting Glenn in Atlanta.
-Amy's death was literally like looking at the artwork in the book.
-Dale's speech to Andrea.
-Shane and Laurie's brief relationship.
I guess the best way to explain season one versus the books is to say that season one played out like an expanded version of the first volume of the books. The biggest difference being that one character is alive that Kirkman himself says he wouldn't have killed if he thought he had more time and there are a few new cast additions. Maybe they're filler, but maybe they're also needed to fill in the gaps in the TV show.
So to answer your question...while this couldn't be the same story from two points of view based on certain differences, it absolutely could be the same story told by different people who got a few details wrong here or there.
Wait! I forgot one thing that might be something minor or something that changes my opinion completely. Whatever the doctor whispered to Rick. If it was something like "cherish them" or "I heard people were alive in Pittsburgh", no worries. However, if he said something like "Vitamin D, iodine, and a baboon's jism is the cure", then it'll be a major departure from the book.
Of course, Kirkman knows what was whispered and he's the guy writing the book, so...
By the way, I REALLY want to talk about Dixon because I think I know where his story is going, but I can't. Too many spoilers in that discussion.
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I'm reviewing the books in my head, and what I know about where they're going to end up in Season 2...I have no idea what that scene was about.
I do know that there are moments when they purposely use silent weapons so as not to attract more zombies, but a rock?
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This is big news because he's a big name, and really drove the show, but apparently, they're trying to move him to a roll where he'll still be associated with the show, just not in the same way, which he didn't feel he was doing well.
The important guy, Robert Kirkman, is still in his role, so no worries.
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
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Regarding the big name death that just occurred...my initial thought is that he didn't die. Not sure how he'll get out of that situation, but the whole episode sort of left everyone in a shitty spot.
It seems other folks came to the same conclusion: Spoilers!
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“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
The first part of that article just discusses who was cast and what role, which really isn't a spoiler, but the second part talks about another cast member's fate, and that might be, so you've been warned.
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
