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Malcolm wrote:My god says people aren't married until I personally approve every single song and movie in their media collection or they conform to my pre-approved published list of acceptable entertainment. Can't have them corrupting the totally subjective morals of future society and running the risk of a Macarena comeback.
That's cool and all but you can't get tax-exempt status like that. Disney has been trying.
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Alhazad wrote:
Malcolm wrote:My god says people aren't married until I personally approve every single song and movie in their media collection or they conform to my pre-approved published list of acceptable entertainment. Can't have them corrupting the totally subjective morals of future society and running the risk of a Macarena comeback.

That's cool and all but you can't get tax-exempt status like that. Disney has been trying.

Anyone can get tax-exempt status. Disney just doesn't have the balls to run the crazy into the end zone and out of the stadium like L. Ron.




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Malcolm wrote:Anyone can get tax-exempt status. Disney just doesn't have the balls to run the crazy into the end zone and out of the stadium like L. Ron.
Difference being that you have no lawyers and you're not willing to tolerate stupid long enough to infiltrate our government.
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Alhazad wrote:
Malcolm wrote:Anyone can get tax-exempt status. Disney just doesn't have the balls to run the crazy into the end zone and out of the stadium like L. Ron.
Difference being that you have no lawyers and you're not willing to tolerate stupid long enough to infiltrate our government.
I think all you need is:

some scripture (probably optional, but helps)
some place you meet
some belief you talk about
some congregation to <s>sucker</s> save
some proof you contribute to the community

I bet you could find a lawyer to take it pro bono.
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Malcolm wrote:I bet you could find a lawyer to take it pro bono.
Ever the optimist.
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Alhazad wrote:
Malcolm wrote:I bet you could find a lawyer to take it pro bono.
Ever the optimist.
Ask the law firms representing the CoS if it was a sound financial decision.
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Malcolm wrote:Ask the law firms representing the CoS if it was a sound financial decision.
I think they had the money trap lined up before the siege lawyers started knocking on the door.
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Alhazad wrote:
Malcolm wrote:Ask the law firms representing the CoS if it was a sound financial decision.
I think they had the money trap lined up before the siege lawyers started knocking on the door.
We have L. Ron admitting in writing that was his intention. That still wasn't enough to disqualify them. If their beliefs are "genuine" enough, there's still a lot of insane shit that'd slip under the radar.
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Raging, theocratic, self-righteous cunt of a dumb-ass of a bitch still at it. She shouldn't have a job at this point. Wtf, KY?
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One insane bitch clerk deserves another.
A fellow Kentucky clerk, Casey Davis, has protested alongside Kim Davis and insisted Tuesday on CNN's "New Day" that "we've not tried to prevent" same-sex marriages, and "we've only tried to exercise our First Amendment rights."

Casey Davis said gay couples could go to another county to get married when a county clerk objects due to religious beliefs.

Fuck you both. My religion says women can't hold public office or own property because it's an affront to my god(s). I'm sure Jesus is proud to have you asswipes as followers.
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Rubio also thinks we should live in a country ruled by god.
"While the clerk's office has a governmental duty to carry out the law," he added, "there should be a way to protect the religious freedom and conscience rights of individuals working in the office."

I missed the part where someone was putting a gun to her head, forcing her to do this, and only this job for the rest of her life.
Davis, a clerk in Kentucky's Rowan County, has been summoned to a hearing Thursday before U.S. District Judge David Bunning. He also ordered all Davis' deputy clerks to appear. Bunning could hold Davis in contempt, which can carry hefty fines or even jail time.

Jail time's stupid. A steep fine and quick firing would do.




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Guilty.
But Bunning, who had previously ordered her and her clerks to process the paperwork and issue certificates, said fines for Davis, who makes $80,000 a year, would not be enough to ensure her to follow his orders.


You make 80 grand a year? Issue the fucking license and do your job.
She has resisted suggestions that her deputies could issue the licenses because her name appears on the certificates.
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To me, this has never been a gay or lesbian issue. It is about marriage and God’s word.”

When god's word says you can't issue a license to a couple lesbians, it is very much a gay issue. The courthouse isn't a church. Go to some place where they confuse the two -- like Iran. Also fairly sure god talks about divorce, and she's racked up 3.

When that stay expired, appeals court judges declined to renew it. And when she asked the Supreme Court to weigh in Monday, justices in Washington refused.
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Davis, an Apostolic Christian, had said it would violate her faith to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples and had directed her office to withhold marriage licenses to anyone, gay or straight.

Indirect contempt of court is not something you get a jury for, either. This means her options are reduced to: (i) jail or (ii) changing her tune.




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or (iii) quitting.
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TPRJones wrote:or (iii) quitting.
She's had that option since the Supreme Court legalized gay marriage federally. Walking away's not good enough for her.
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It's still an option. Same as (ii) is.
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Also fairly sure god talks about divorce, and she's racked up 3.

It'll be interesting to see which cracks first, her distaste for incarceration or her double standards for interpreting the will of the divine.
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I was waiting for this comparison.
On Friday, Liberty Counsel founder and chairman Mat Staver said in a statement that Davis “joins a long list of people who were imprisoned for their conscience.”

“People who today we admire, like Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Jan Huss, John Bunyan, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, and more,” Staver said in the statement. “Each had their own cause, but they all share the same resolve not to violate their conscience.

This is an extremely fucked up statement.
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Back in 2004, when gay marriage was banned under California state law, Newsom openly defied the law and used his power as the mayor of San Francisco to force taxpayer-funded government clerks to issue gay marriage licenses

I don't recall that dude saying that dogma and doctrine trump US law. Additionally, that dude had the state and federal courts agrees with him.
In 2008 California voters passed the gay marriage ban, known as Proposition 8, but a San Francisco federal judge struck down the initiative as unconstitutional and last month the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that supporters of the ban did not have the legal right to appeal.

Don’t even get me started on federal laws regarding drug possession. You won’t find progressives calling for the prosecution of scores of Colorado officials in open defiance of federal drug bans

Don't even get me started on the bullshit that is federal drug policy, the policy that says bud is in the same category as smack.
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