AvP : Requiem - SPOILER thread

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A few things ...

1) The Predator seemed to have an infinite supply of that blue goop that had the staggeringly useful property of incinerating anything it touched. One wonders why they don't just walk around w\ cannisters of that attached to a device & torch shit like napalm? Or at the very least, coat your blades in it & immediately chuck those boomerangs w\ the jagged metal arms jutting from them at anything that fucking moves.

2) In Predator 2, they send like ten hunters to go gather a dead body. Same in AvP. However, when it comes to a search-and-destroy/containment operation on an alien-Predator hybird that took out the entire ship full of Predators, they send one dude.

3) I thought only queens laid eggs. I was wondering where all these aliens were coming from till the one scene where the hybrid forces them (I assume) down the throat of the chicks in the pregnancy ward. Anyone got an explanation for this? Leish?

4) Since the Predator is using the blue goop, one assumes he's trying to destroy evidence (like the aliens & humans they've killed). So, one would also assume he's trying to keep something of a low profile. He's not here to hunt humans. He's here specifically to take out the hybrid & anything else it may've started. So, why in the fuck does he take time out of his busy schedule to flay the cop & string his corpse from a tree (other than nostalgia from the original Predator)? He could've easily sliced & gooped him. End of problem & no ones knows you're there.

5) The gov't sends in the nat'l guard to the town. Only to nuke the town later. Which was probably done on the recommendation of that chick seen talking to the G-man seen at the end of the flick (the one that impersonates the colonel on the radio). Why send in troops if you just plan to blast the whole fucking place anyway?

6) You are the Predator. Some puny human grabbed one of your most useful weapons. You encounter the puny human a few minutes later. Do you a) kill puny human (which would take all of a few seconds) & reclaim your weapon? or b) ignore puny human & insanely powerful gun, then proceed to engage an entire swarm of aliens in hand-to-hand combat by yourself? If you answered (b), you probably wrote the screenplay for AvP : Requiem.
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Finally saw A vs. P 2.

It was much better than I expected, but still not perfect.

If you like this sort of thing, it's well worth your time.

That being said, I did NOT like several minor details:
1. I hate the hybrid. Nuff said.
2. I hate the hybrid's abilities here. It goes against what the established property has already laid out in terms of eggs.
3. I didn't like the single predator doing the hunting. The established property states that Predators think a P/A hybrid is the ultimate sin and they hunt them with a vengeance in packs.
4. How did the Predator get impregnated to begin with?
5. Trained military personnel = worthless. Ragtag group of civilians with no training = able to stand up to any force. I hate that garbage.

I did like:
1. They hinted at what the established property has set as fact: Predators seed planets with Aliens so they can hunt them.
2. The Predator was pretty bad ass. He or She (there are female hunters) liked to get its hands dirty and not just snipe people from far away.
3. Loved that it cleaned up kills that weren't its own. Sort of a "No trophies for this without honor" thing.
4. I liked that it warned the woman about touching the weapon. I'm not sure that the cop it killed was in line with their honor code. Did he actually draw his weapon? I thought he just had a flashlight and ran.

This gives me hope that another will follow and be as good, although, I'd like them to do the main story from the AvP Omnibus 1. It would put things back into Ripley's time line, without Ripley (just to make that clear).

The thing that went over my head, and was an obvious sequel link, was the end scene. Who was that woman and what did she mean when she said "Its not for us?" I assume she meant that the next time they returned, we'd be ready for them (IE: The weapons wouldn't be used on US, but THEM.) However, I wasn't sure if I should've recognized her name since that's the only way they addressed her and she was a civilian being addressed by two high ranking officers and what I can only assume was a politician or high ranking spy.
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Leisher wrote:That being said, I did NOT like several minor details:
1. I hate the hybrid. Nuff said.
2. I hate the hybrid's abilities here. It goes against what the established property has already laid out in terms of eggs.
3. I didn't like the single predator doing the hunting. The established property states that Predators think a P/A hybrid is the ultimate sin and they hunt them with a vengeance in packs.
4. How did the Predator get impregnated to begin with?
1. Ditto.
2. Ditto.
3. Budget constraints and perhaps studio interference. All the Pred flicks have had one main Predator. AvP 1 had the trio, but two of them bought it pretty early on and it was even the same goddamned fight. Hell, one just got bushwhacked.
4. Was the Pred from the first AvP that the Preds in the ship picked up at the end.
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Leisher wrote:Who was that woman and what did she mean when she said "Its not for us?"
That was "Miss Yutani," of the famous "Weyland/Yutani" corporation that runs the universe in the future timeline. Weyland was "Bishop," who was killed in the last movie.
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Both these monstrosities were on TV recently. Thoughts:

AvP 1: Predator's wrist claw/Wolverine blades slice through the Alien's tail, but it melts. His razor disc can do the same thing, but it doesn't melt. You've got to be shitting me. Motherfuckers have spears the length of an NBA player made of that shit (it can perforate Aliens with no problem), but the last resort self-defense weapon, the thing you absolutely, positively need not to fail ... nope. Making that out of tin foil.

AvP 2: Again, razor disc doesn't give a fuck about acid. I'm also pretty sure none of the other Pred equipment does, except when the plot calls for it.

AvP 2: The Pred that receives the distress call and goes over the ship data in the beginning ... the chair he sits in to view images looks strikingly similar to the Space Jockey from Alien and the Engineers from Prometheus.

Are the Preds an offshoot or genetic combination or the result of the evolution of either?




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The idea of Predators being these "noble warriors" was only established in the first movie when it had a "fair fight" with Dutch. That was all it took to launch that entire "canon." P2 expanded on that with a pred "in town with a few days to kill." AvP took showed us their <s>native american coming of age for the young Braves</s> initiation rituals and that they use the aliens for that in a controlled environment, and AvP2 showed us that they know they have to clean up their messes when they screw up. Still no excuse for letting an infected pred on board their ship, though.

BUT...... Predators showed us that there are different tribes of predators, with different methods, biases, and weapons. This could explain different weapons having different characteristics from pred to pred.

IMO, AvP2's biggest problem is that it was filmed so dark. I've seen screenshots somewhere showing what you are missing because some scenes didn't have enough lighting, but I couldn't find them with 8 seconds of googling and that's all the time I can spar. All in all, that movie was fucked up, but honest, what with all the baby/child/woman killing, which I bet they cut for broadcast TV.
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Malcolm wrote:Are the Preds an offshoot or genetic combination or the result of the evolution of either?
It is shown in a brief scene in Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem that Predators have had prior contact with a race of creatures resembling the "Space Jockey" in the film Alien. This is confirmed in the film's DVD commentary.
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