Marriage Equality

Post by **Vince** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:30 pm

Leisher wrote:Patrick Stewart backs the bakers.

(Right thread?)

That one bothered me more than the usual gay marriage cake. This was a cake with a political message (Support gay marriage), not a cake for a gay marriage.

So this one is hideously evil.

Post by **TPRJones** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:14 pm

The cake is evil?

Post by **Vince** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:12 pm

The people suing for the bakers not agreeing with their political message is evil. stop. end of message.

Post by **TPRJones** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:38 pm

Oh. I will agree as long as you agree that it would be equally evil regardless of what the message was. ANY message can be refused for any reason, yes? Then we are agree.

But if it's only about gaygaygay then I would disagree.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:46 pm

Anyone remember when bakers just made fucking cakes instead of worrying about what the cake said about them or what it'd be used for?

Post by **GORDON** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:52 pm

Are you suggesting that there used to be people who just did a job and never had opinions about things?

Post by **TPRJones** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:29 pm

Malcolm wrote:Anyone remember when bakers just made fucking cakes instead of worrying about what the cake said about them or what it'd be used for?

Well, it was a lot easier when the biggest difference likely to come up was Protestant vs Catholic. These days people are likely to have all sorts of contrary opinions about things.

Some of us consider that a good thing. Not everyone agrees.

Post by **Vince** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:59 pm

TPRJones wrote:Oh. I will agree as long as you agree that it would be equally evil regardless of what the message was. ANY message can be refused for any reason, yes? Then we are agree.

But if it's only about gaygaygay then I would disagree.

I absolutely agree that anyone suing anyone for having an opinion that doesn't agree with yours is evil. I would equally call someone going to a gay bakery and asking for an anti-gay cake and being told no and turning around and suing them would also be evil.

Post by **TPRJones** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:11 pm

Cool, then we're on the same page there.

Post by **Vince** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:27 am

I'm at the point where I seriously would not be surprised if a gay couple sued a baker for publicly supporting a conservative candidate.

Post by **TPRJones** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:37 am

Sure, sure, the world is full of assholes.

Just don't forget that they're not all gay.

Post by **Vince** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:21 am

I know. And I agree that most are fine. I think I've said before here in this thread that I think this movement is driven as much or more so by the anti-Christian types than as any affection for the homosexual community.

Post by **TheCatt** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:30 am

Title IX: The next fronteir for assholes

Post by **GORDON** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:36 am

That link could go directly into my "send your son to college?" thread so people could call me paranoid, more.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:39 am

People who are accused of far worse things than I was - you know, students accused of sexual assault don't have lawyers. They don't know what the rules of evidence are. And so I think the whole process just has to be more transparent than it is.

Awesome justice system this country has.

Post by **TPRJones** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:40 am

I know. And I agree that most are fine. I think I've said before here in this thread that I think this movement is driven as much or more so by the anti-Christian types than as any affection for the homosexual community.

Agreed. And I'd feel worse about that if it weren't for the equally evil pro-Christian crazies that keep suing evolution out of the classrooms and protesting funerals.

These people - on both sides - are why we can't have nice things.

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Post by **GORDON** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:58 am

So maybe it's a parenting problem, because I guaren-damn-tee if my kid's school wasn't teaching evolution, my kid would still know and understand it better than 99% of the population.

But this feels terribly off-topic.

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Post by **Vince** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:26 am

TPRJones wrote:Agreed. And I'd feel worse about that if it weren't for the equally evil pro-Christian crazies that keep suing evolution out of the classrooms and protesting funerals.

Do you think either of those groups approach the influence and saturation of the anti-Christian groups?

The Christian groups mentioned are marginalized in the MSM. The LGBTLMNOP groups are heralded by the MSM.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:31 am

Do you think either of those groups approach the influence and saturation of the anti-Christian groups?

Yeah.

Post by **TPRJones** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:56 am

Absolutely. The anti-Christians have won a majority of the public places on the internet, sure. But the pro-Christian crazies I mentioned still have a massive majority in the offline world, from school boards to state houses to Fox news and the vast majority of the Republican party and beyond.

I think in the long run the side that has won the internet will come out on top and the other will fade away. But for now the other side still has much real world power.

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