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Horrible day for the Big Ten.
OSU's struggles were expected by OSU fans. Our starting QB is out for the year and we're starting a freshman, we lost four starters on the offensive line and are starting a few freshmen there, and OSU is still playing nice with Luke Fickel (the defensive co-coordinator) because apparently loyalty means more at OSU than winning. We knew VT would be tough. The MSM calling it a shocking upset are simply using hype to sell and get ratings. There was nothing shocking about it. Hell, had Barrett throw to the receiver instead of a space on that final throw we would have gone to overtime instead of VT winning by 14.
Personally, I think it's most frustrating for us because we're the most relevant team in the Big Ten. We should have won the national title two years ago. Unfortunately, stupid ass Gene Smith decided to reward Luke Fickel during his 6-5 campaign following the tattoo scandal (which Alabama has been busted for both before OSU's and after, yet has received no punishment whatsoever) by allowing him to take that team to a garbage bowl. Had we simply sat out that year, we would have not been banned from a bowl the following year and would have played Notre Dame for the title instead of Alabama.
I didn't expect Michigan State to lose.
I couldn't believe Wisconsin lost the way they did last week.
Michigan has been reeling for some time now.
Everything else is normal. Usually one or two other teams are decent, but would never be title contenders.
I honestly feel that kids going early, the Big Ten's current drought of good teams, and the MSM's love affair, particularly ESPN, with the SEC is killing the Big Ten.
Hard to recruit when all these kids hear is how awesome the SEC is, despite the truth being that only 2-3 of their teams are actually elite and half their conference is bottom feeders too. Not to mention the blatant cheating that nobody cares about, which a couple of non-SEC coaches have publicly addressed like Bob Stoops.
The Big Ten is being hit hardest because of climate, standards, and because they've taken a large brunt of heat from the SEC fans, and thus, the MSM. However, you can see the other big conferences suffering the effects as well.
OSU will still be OSU once they get past these growing pains with the new players, but the rest of the Big Ten needs to step up. Maybe the new rules the Big 5 voted on will help us out.
OSU will be in VT next year, and I'll bet they return the favor.
I'll also go out on a limb and predict that Brady Hoke gets fired after the season.
It's going to be a looooong football season though.
OSU's struggles were expected by OSU fans. Our starting QB is out for the year and we're starting a freshman, we lost four starters on the offensive line and are starting a few freshmen there, and OSU is still playing nice with Luke Fickel (the defensive co-coordinator) because apparently loyalty means more at OSU than winning. We knew VT would be tough. The MSM calling it a shocking upset are simply using hype to sell and get ratings. There was nothing shocking about it. Hell, had Barrett throw to the receiver instead of a space on that final throw we would have gone to overtime instead of VT winning by 14.
Personally, I think it's most frustrating for us because we're the most relevant team in the Big Ten. We should have won the national title two years ago. Unfortunately, stupid ass Gene Smith decided to reward Luke Fickel during his 6-5 campaign following the tattoo scandal (which Alabama has been busted for both before OSU's and after, yet has received no punishment whatsoever) by allowing him to take that team to a garbage bowl. Had we simply sat out that year, we would have not been banned from a bowl the following year and would have played Notre Dame for the title instead of Alabama.
I didn't expect Michigan State to lose.
I couldn't believe Wisconsin lost the way they did last week.
Michigan has been reeling for some time now.
Everything else is normal. Usually one or two other teams are decent, but would never be title contenders.
I honestly feel that kids going early, the Big Ten's current drought of good teams, and the MSM's love affair, particularly ESPN, with the SEC is killing the Big Ten.
Hard to recruit when all these kids hear is how awesome the SEC is, despite the truth being that only 2-3 of their teams are actually elite and half their conference is bottom feeders too. Not to mention the blatant cheating that nobody cares about, which a couple of non-SEC coaches have publicly addressed like Bob Stoops.
The Big Ten is being hit hardest because of climate, standards, and because they've taken a large brunt of heat from the SEC fans, and thus, the MSM. However, you can see the other big conferences suffering the effects as well.
OSU will still be OSU once they get past these growing pains with the new players, but the rest of the Big Ten needs to step up. Maybe the new rules the Big 5 voted on will help us out.
OSU will be in VT next year, and I'll bet they return the favor.
I'll also go out on a limb and predict that Brady Hoke gets fired after the season.
It's going to be a looooong football season though.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
I get the impression that Michigan has thrown their football program away. I don't follow the news that much and had no idea what was in store for us this season. But, talking to someone that does read about stuff, he pointed some stuff out. Looking at it myself, it's like ya. Michigan just doesn't care what happens to football. That schedule? The coaching? I'm not going to blame the players, because I think there's talent there. But we have been out coached for years now. We don't sell tickets. We are breaking VERY long standing records, the wrong way. As in, NEVER been shut out by ND before. I think we've ended our sellout streak. I bet we drop below 100k in the stands. Etc. All kinds of records dropping, that I won't ever see touched again in my life time. This fucking sucks. We've become irrelevant.
I get the impression that Michigan has thrown their football program away. I don't follow the news that much and had no idea what was in store for us this season. But, talking to someone that does read about stuff, he pointed some stuff out. Looking at it myself, it's like ya. Michigan just doesn't care what happens to football. That schedule? The coaching? I'm not going to blame the players, because I think there's talent there. But we have been out coached for years now. We don't sell tickets. We are breaking VERY long standing records, the wrong way. As in, NEVER been shut out by ND before. I think we've ended our sellout streak. I bet we drop below 100k in the stands. Etc. All kinds of records dropping, that I won't ever see touched again in my life time. This fucking sucks. We've become irrelevant.
It's not that they're trying to fail. Except the attendance thing, that was a major fuck up by the new AD, which I covered here a few pages back in this thread.
They just keep hiring the wrong coaches. Lloyd Carr was a fine coach who Jim Tressel just happened to own. When Carr left, they thought anyone in the country would be lucky to get the job, but they discovered that a lot of coaches are afraid of high profile jobs. When Les Miles turned them down, be happy he did because he's dirty, they panicked and hired Rich Rodriguez. The boosters were livid, and were calling for his head before he stepped foot on campus. He was a terrible choice to coach Michigan, but he also wasn't given a chance to succeed. With him gone, they went for a lesser name, but a homegrown boy in Hoke. The problem with Hoke is that he's not a very good coach. He also can't compete with OSU or Penn State for recruits.
Hoke looks like he's going to be fired this year, and the rumor mill is churning with one name: Jim Harbaugh.
As an Ohio State fan, I don't want them to get Harbaugh just like you guys didn't want the Meyer rumors to be true. Harbaugh would immediately steal big recruits. He'd bring an intensity back to the program immediately.
Honestly, we need Michigan back. OSU will have a long year, but will be back on top next year. Penn State is clearly going in the right direction with a new coach, a top 5 recruiting class, and another for next year. Wisconsin will continue to churn out their 10 win milk feed teams.
If Michigan was relevant again, it'd help the conference get back to the top of the pile instead of languishing in the bottom.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
In different news, you might snicker at my "the MSM's bias towards the SEC is going to destroy college football" argument, but have you seen what they're doing to the AP poll?
After week 1, several SEC teams that aren't even in the top 5 have been receiving first place votes. That list includes Texas A&M that started the season at #21 and whose only claim to fame is routing the clearly overrated #9 South Carolina. Why is that win impressive? Because they were ranked #9? What exactly are these ratings based upon? Opinion. Florida was a top ten team last year to start the season, and I'm not even sure they made a bowl game. They were routed at home by Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt!
Does #9 Texas A&M really deserve 2 first place votes? Does #8 Georgia deserves 1 first place vote? Does #3 Alabama, who gave up 500 yards passing to West Virginia deserve 2 first place votes?
Those votes help to drive up their computer points.
After week 1, several SEC teams that aren't even in the top 5 have been receiving first place votes. That list includes Texas A&M that started the season at #21 and whose only claim to fame is routing the clearly overrated #9 South Carolina. Why is that win impressive? Because they were ranked #9? What exactly are these ratings based upon? Opinion. Florida was a top ten team last year to start the season, and I'm not even sure they made a bowl game. They were routed at home by Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt!
Does #9 Texas A&M really deserve 2 first place votes? Does #8 Georgia deserves 1 first place vote? Does #3 Alabama, who gave up 500 yards passing to West Virginia deserve 2 first place votes?
Those votes help to drive up their computer points.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
What the fuck is Nick Marshall saying?
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"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
I'm giving you all a gift right now.
This morning I invented something called "The Big Ten Effect". Currently NOTHING is going right for the Big Ten. Nothing.
So when you see a team like Virginia Tech as a huge favorite over a team that prior to VT's upset you'd think could give them problems, take the points.
As I type this ECU 21 VT 0.
Look for this type of pattern until the tide turns for the Big Ten, which it will eventually, but they have to hit rock bottom first and I'm not sure they're there yet.
This morning I invented something called "The Big Ten Effect". Currently NOTHING is going right for the Big Ten. Nothing.
So when you see a team like Virginia Tech as a huge favorite over a team that prior to VT's upset you'd think could give them problems, take the points.
As I type this ECU 21 VT 0.
Look for this type of pattern until the tide turns for the Big Ten, which it will eventually, but they have to hit rock bottom first and I'm not sure they're there yet.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
Hilarious "worst fake punt ever".
I love the guy who died. WTF?
I love the guy who died. WTF?
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
Michigan giving away tickets to keep their streak going?
I'm not sure there's a program in worse shape than Michigan. People HATE their AD and they want the bumbling Hoke gone. Most wins in college football history and currently they can't recruit and just lost to Utah at home. Ouch.
I'm not sure there's a program in worse shape than Michigan. People HATE their AD and they want the bumbling Hoke gone. Most wins in college football history and currently they can't recruit and just lost to Utah at home. Ouch.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
Good commercial. Aside from pretending that Michigan is relevant, pretty accurate too.
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"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
It's about rivalries, and I'm unaware of any aside from the ones mentioned. Ok, I'm grant you the iron bowl, but all other rivalries are basketball rivalries.
Dantonio makes an argument about who should be in the playoffs. He's right and there's only one conference that will argue he's wrong.
Look at this year. Everyone knows that ESPN would love nothing more than to get two SEC teams into the playoffs, right? Well, here's the breakdown:
-SEC
You've got Alabama who were played very closely by a team Oklahoma destroyed and a team that went to triple overtime at home with fucking Vanderbilt. You've got LSU that just lost to an unranked team and was getting dominated by Wisconsin before a total coaching meltdown by the Badgers. You've got SC that got housed by Texas A&M. Meanwhile, SC beat Georgia a week after needing a miracle to beat ECU. Missouri, last year's conference runner up, just got beat at home by a bottom feeder Big Ten team. Auburn, the conference's second highest ranked team, just had a game handed to them by Kansas State when K State had the victory locked up. Don't look at the SEC's out of conference schedule either because with few exceptions, it's not very impressive.
Can you say overrated?
-Pac 12
The Pac 12 has a top 5 team and several other highly ranked teams in USC, Stanford, and UCLA.
-ACC
There's Florida State, who is a shadow of last year's team, and there's nobody else. Florida State should run the table.
-Big Ten
OSU's year ended with Braxton's shoulder. Michigan hasn't been relevant in a decade. Undefeated Penn State is a pretender. Michigan State lost the second half to Oregon. Wisconsin lost the second half to LSU. Undefeated Nebraska is a pretender. Undefeated Maryland is a pretender. Rutgers lost to Penn State.
-Big 12
Oklahoma might be the best team in the country and openly want to play any SEC team. Oklahoma State should have beaten Florida State. West Virginia had a shot of beating Alabama. K State had the game won against Auburn and gave it away.
There's five conferences there. Who are you leaving out?
The Big Ten is probably fucked because of Wisconsin and Michigan State's collapses, but if Penn State, Nebraska, or Maryland run the table (they won't), how can you leave them out over a conference whose champ has a loss or more? What happens if they go to a bowl game against a good foe and win, while the team you passed them for loses in the first round of the playoffs? It immediately invalidates this new format.
The interesting one to me is the ACC. If Florida State loses a chump game, and that's all they have left, they might be the odd man out. How thrilled will the ACC be if Florida State isn't in the playoffs?
Make no mistake, for the SEC to get two in, two power conferences have to be left out, and the Big Ten and ACC are the easiest to justify. The Big 12 is next in line, and I'd bet you anything ESPN is rooting for Oklahoma or Florida State to lose.
I think the Pac 12 is a lock and one SEC team is a lock, but again, explain how Dantonio could possibly be wrong about 4 conference champs being the four playoff teams.
Dantonio makes an argument about who should be in the playoffs. He's right and there's only one conference that will argue he's wrong.
Look at this year. Everyone knows that ESPN would love nothing more than to get two SEC teams into the playoffs, right? Well, here's the breakdown:
-SEC
You've got Alabama who were played very closely by a team Oklahoma destroyed and a team that went to triple overtime at home with fucking Vanderbilt. You've got LSU that just lost to an unranked team and was getting dominated by Wisconsin before a total coaching meltdown by the Badgers. You've got SC that got housed by Texas A&M. Meanwhile, SC beat Georgia a week after needing a miracle to beat ECU. Missouri, last year's conference runner up, just got beat at home by a bottom feeder Big Ten team. Auburn, the conference's second highest ranked team, just had a game handed to them by Kansas State when K State had the victory locked up. Don't look at the SEC's out of conference schedule either because with few exceptions, it's not very impressive.
Can you say overrated?
-Pac 12
The Pac 12 has a top 5 team and several other highly ranked teams in USC, Stanford, and UCLA.
-ACC
There's Florida State, who is a shadow of last year's team, and there's nobody else. Florida State should run the table.
-Big Ten
OSU's year ended with Braxton's shoulder. Michigan hasn't been relevant in a decade. Undefeated Penn State is a pretender. Michigan State lost the second half to Oregon. Wisconsin lost the second half to LSU. Undefeated Nebraska is a pretender. Undefeated Maryland is a pretender. Rutgers lost to Penn State.
-Big 12
Oklahoma might be the best team in the country and openly want to play any SEC team. Oklahoma State should have beaten Florida State. West Virginia had a shot of beating Alabama. K State had the game won against Auburn and gave it away.
There's five conferences there. Who are you leaving out?
The Big Ten is probably fucked because of Wisconsin and Michigan State's collapses, but if Penn State, Nebraska, or Maryland run the table (they won't), how can you leave them out over a conference whose champ has a loss or more? What happens if they go to a bowl game against a good foe and win, while the team you passed them for loses in the first round of the playoffs? It immediately invalidates this new format.
The interesting one to me is the ACC. If Florida State loses a chump game, and that's all they have left, they might be the odd man out. How thrilled will the ACC be if Florida State isn't in the playoffs?
Make no mistake, for the SEC to get two in, two power conferences have to be left out, and the Big Ten and ACC are the easiest to justify. The Big 12 is next in line, and I'd bet you anything ESPN is rooting for Oklahoma or Florida State to lose.
I think the Pac 12 is a lock and one SEC team is a lock, but again, explain how Dantonio could possibly be wrong about 4 conference champs being the four playoff teams.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
Agreed.
If FSU stumbles, will they try to put in two SEC teams and leave 2 of the power 5 out?
Of the current 4, I think Bama and FSU look the weakest right now.
Also, is Strong insane or turning the program around?
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If FSU stumbles, will they try to put in two SEC teams and leave 2 of the power 5 out?
Of the current 4, I think Bama and FSU look the weakest right now.
Also, is Strong insane or turning the program around?
Edited By Leisher on 1411529358
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell