Well, it’s a community center that will happen to contain a mosque. So it’s a bit of a stretch to say there’s no mosque.
I don’t think there’s much that can be done to stop it unless there’s a problem with where the funding will come from.
As far as my opinion, let’s dispense with their notion that this is some sort of “outreach” thing on their part. When the city where you are trying to build the thing vehemently disapprove of its LOCATION by about 2 to 1 and you say, “Suck it, we’re building there anyway”. You’ve pretty much demonstrated that “outreach” and “understanding” can’t get much further down your list of objectives.
Also, the thing was called The Cordoba House until recently. When you do some research on Cordoba Spain and its place in Muslim history one has a hard time not thinking this is in fact a huge poke in the eye from the more radicalized Muslims here. I suspect the proposed name for the project changed when non-Muslims started to research the history of Cordoba.
If there were any leadership, the discussion would have never gotten this far. Someone would have had a higher up at the IRS call these guys and the conversation would have gone something like this:
“Congratulations on the new building you’re wanting to build. Due to the sensitive nature of the LOCATION of where you want to build this center, there are going to be a lot of people that want to make sure everything is on the up and up. So we’re going to need you to make space for a team of forensic accountants. The FBI will also probably need space for their bean counters as well. And there may be a couple of other agencies that need to look over everything as well. So plan on having us parked in your colon for the foreseeable future. At this point I’d say ‘indefinitely’. You know… do to the sensitive nature of WHERE you want to build this.”
The "Ground Zero" Mosque
Well, it’s a community center that will happen to contain a mosque. So it’s a bit of a stretch to say there’s no mosque.
There's a chapel in the hospital down the street. That doesn't make the hospital a church.
When the city where you are trying to build the thing vehemently disapprove of its LOCATION by about 2 to 1...
Up until reading this, everything I've seen from every source has indicated exactly the opposite, that New Yorkers are 2 to 1 in support of these folks building what they want there.
So we’re going to need you to make space for a team of forensic accountants. The FBI will also probably need space for their bean counters as well.
It's a fucking community center. There will be kids playing basketball and doing fingerpainting. You really think it's worth the time of all the federal agents you want to pay to watch over these kids and make sure they aren't planning to blow themselves up during nap time?
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No, but the fact that the chapel is in a hospital doesn't make the chapel stop being a chapel.TPRJones wrote:There's a chapel in the hospital down the street. That doesn't make the hospital a church.
Up until reading this, everything I've seen from every source has indicated exactly the opposite, that New Yorkers are 2 to 1 in support of these folks building what they want there.
Oh God no. Link
It's a fucking community center. There will be kids playing basketball and doing fingerpainting. You really think it's worth the time of all the federal agents you want to pay to watch over these kids and make sure they aren't planning to blow themselves up during nap time?
Mostly this would be a tool to disuade their building it there. I find it odd that they've been given a green light for this project, yet the Orthidox Greek Church in the same area still can't get the permits needed from the city to repair their church which was damaged in the original attack.
Might end up being a moot point. The unions have indicated that there will be no work done on building it. This might be the one time in my life I enjoy watching the stranglehold the unions have on the state of NY.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
The unions have indicated that there will be no work done on building it. This might be the one time in my life I enjoy watching the stranglehold the unions have on the state of NY.
So blatant corruption is alright, but only if it works in your favour?
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
No, but it's nice to see an organization that I generally have zero use for making itself useful once in a while.Malcolm wrote:So blatant corruption is alright, but only if it works in your favour?The unions have indicated that there will be no work done on building it. This might be the one time in my life I enjoy watching the stranglehold the unions have on the state of NY.
Kind of like a cancer that just happens to take out some evil SOB. Doesn't mean I like cancer, but it's nice to see it serve the general good once in a while.
But in reality, we have Obama that's been on an apology tour to Islam since he's been elected. He comes out saying he supports the building of the mosque. And then there are the unions that have been in bed with him since his days as a state Senator for Ill. Then we have the union average schmo from NYC. So how's this going to play out? Will the union leadership try to buck their own members? Without them they don't have any power. Do they buck Obama? Without him the don't have nearly as much influence.
Gonna be a hell of a floor show.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
Oh. Well, they are still wrong.Vince wrote:Oh God no. Link
This comes down to ideologies. Either you support the freedoms outlined in the Bill of Rights, or you don't. If you don't, I don't think I can change your mind.
I don't see myself changing my mind, either.
Interestingly, this is the first time I can recall actually arguing in favor of something related to religion. Maybe it's because I can't see any differences between Muslims and Christians that I end up on this side of it.
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If these people had anything to do with terrorism you would have a point. But so far as I've seen they don't. If you've seen some evidence of that, I'd like to hear it.
Would you be as angered if someone wanted to build a YMCA there? Or a Jewish Student Center? If so then fine, I still don't fully understand your point but it seems to be unbiased. If not then you have no basis other than anti-Muslim sentiment: that opinion it is your right to have but if you use it to stop someone from doing something that is clearly against the First Amendment. This is America: we don't discriminate against people because we don't like their particular flavor of imaginary friend. We leave that sort of thing to people from Iran, Israel, Italy, and other theocratic countries starting with the letter I.
If these people were actually criminals or had been shown to be terrorists you would have a point. If they were shown to be terrorist sympathizers but not actual terrorists themselves, then I think you'd still be wrong but then I would understand where you are coming from. As far as I know, none of that is the case. The mere fact that they are Muslim is not enough.
Honestly, I'm surprised at which side of this y'all have come down on. In the past on most divisive issues you've usually been in favor of supporting freedom instead of tyranny. I really don't get where this is coming from.
And damn you for making me defend Muslims. I oppose all religions and would rather grumble about that, but now you've got me defending one of them and that makes me feel dirty.
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Would you be as angered if someone wanted to build a YMCA there? Or a Jewish Student Center? If so then fine, I still don't fully understand your point but it seems to be unbiased. If not then you have no basis other than anti-Muslim sentiment: that opinion it is your right to have but if you use it to stop someone from doing something that is clearly against the First Amendment. This is America: we don't discriminate against people because we don't like their particular flavor of imaginary friend. We leave that sort of thing to people from Iran, Israel, Italy, and other theocratic countries starting with the letter I.
If these people were actually criminals or had been shown to be terrorists you would have a point. If they were shown to be terrorist sympathizers but not actual terrorists themselves, then I think you'd still be wrong but then I would understand where you are coming from. As far as I know, none of that is the case. The mere fact that they are Muslim is not enough.
Honestly, I'm surprised at which side of this y'all have come down on. In the past on most divisive issues you've usually been in favor of supporting freedom instead of tyranny. I really don't get where this is coming from.
And damn you for making me defend Muslims. I oppose all religions and would rather grumble about that, but now you've got me defending one of them and that makes me feel dirty.
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Best one so far, from Facebook:
Eric Tornay Regarding the Mosque near ground zero. I say let them build it..But across the street we should put a topless bar called "you mecca me hot" next to that a gay bar called "the turban cowboy" and next to that a pork-rib restaurant called "iraq o'ribs" and then a cash checking......center called "iran out of money".... lets see who's tolerant.
I was reading a little nothing story about a Holocaust memorial going in near the "Ground Zero" mosque. I tend to avoid these stories because I get tired of the left being condescending toward me, telling me how allah is love and blah blah blah bullshit. I was really surprised to see this completely buried in the story:
Was the fact the imam of this place wants to jail peeps who leave his little club ever reported anywhere, ever, before now?
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In January, the new imam of Park 51, Abdallah Adhami, was fired after it was discovered that he preached that homosexuals were abused as children and that people who leave Islam should be jailed.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p....pwYaV8m
Was the fact the imam of this place wants to jail peeps who leave his little club ever reported anywhere, ever, before now?
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