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So I'm bored watching a PC update. . .

According to Google, and math, the odds of red coming up on a roulette wheel 3 times in a row is about 10%. But if you get 2 reds in a row, you are incorrect in thinking that you have anything different than a 46% chance of getting red again on the 3rd spin. Because the wheel doesn't remember.

I get "the wheel doesn't remember". But also, there's a pretty low chance of getting three reds in a row. So why would betting black be no different than betting red?
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That's a Catt question for sure.

As a math dummy though, let me say that math in gambling and sports is sometimes extremely detrimental if you're trying to win.
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Because of the perspective of things through time, and because each spin is an independent event.

At time zero (t0), the odds of red or black are 46%. The odds of 3 in a row are about 10%. The odds of 2 in a row are 21% (.46 * .46)

You spin, we get red. Now, at time one (t1), the odds of red or black are still 46%. So the odds of the t0-2 in a row are now 46%. The odds of the t0-3 in a row are 21%. But, the odds of a NEW 3 in a row, are still 10%.

You spin again, we get red again. Again, at time two (t2), the odds of red or black are still 46%. The odds of the t0-2 in a row are 100%, it hit. The odds of the t0-3 in a row are 46%.

This only applies to independent results (fair coins flips, fair roulette wheels, etc). The math for dependent results is more complicated.

You can see these odd shifts in real-time if you think of things like parlays. Just like a parlay, you are betting on 3 independent results (red at t0, red at t1, and red at t2). The odds of 3 independent results happening are their odds multiplied together. If you are betting on, say, NFL games, you can drop $10 on 3 50/50 games, and you'll get roughly $80 (at fair odds, lower when the place takes some) if you win all 3 of your bets. Say you're betting on a 1pm game, 4:30pm game, and the Sunday night (8:20?) game. After the first game, if you're right, the value of your $10 will raise to $20, and you can cash out early. If you're right after 2 games, the value goes to $40 and you can cash out early. The odds of that last game are still 50/50, despite the 1:8 odds of the original bet.

I like the visualization provided by binomial trees for things like this (they are more useful when the odds of each of the 2 events are uneven, but work just fine for this as well). You could substitute heads/tails coin flips (though the odds are 50/50 instead of 46-46-8)

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The wheel may not remember, but the universe does. I'd still like to see stats on: How many times does a 7th red come up after 6 reds in a row compared to black. You should find that half the time on the 7th spin, it's both colors, right?

I mean, I have to assume that's correct, otherwise, roulette wouldn't be a thing. Or, if they see that's what you are doing, they stop you. Or something. But still.
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It's the same thing with coin flips, or dice, or any other random fair process. You can simulate this yourself with coins.
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