Talking about mass shootings was just what he was doing at the time. It was just… interesting that his literal last words were to quibble about blame over shooting statistics.
His comments that were more pertinent are all over the internet - but “if you want the second amendment some civilians are going to have to die, that is a prudent deal” and “I’m against empathy" (for shooting victims) are the ones I was channeling and projecting.
But I'm not him. Here are some things I believe contrary to Charlie: I want less guns. and I feel really bad for and have tons of empathy for shooting victims. Political violence is bad. We should not advocate or help those who have committed political violence.
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You just have to live with some excess gun deaths in order to keep the 2nd amendment, Cake.
At any rate, no one (here) has said what you're saying.
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Geez. I already retracted it!
Some people want fewer guns on the streets. I want fewer crazies on the streets.
"We can't have dangerous things because there are people out there that will use them to hurt people."
So instead of doing something about the people that want to hurt people, we'll just keep removing more and more things from society as a whole until those few people can't hurt anyone any more.
Some people want fewer guns on the streets. I want fewer crazies on the streets.
"We can't have dangerous things because there are people out there that will use them to hurt people."
So instead of doing something about the people that want to hurt people, we'll just keep removing more and more things from society as a whole until those few people can't hurt anyone any more.
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I missed this page when replying.
Every left wing person who I know is a human on twitter is condemning the killing. The only "left wing" celebrations I see are random "people" who afaik are bots sowing division.
Pretty stark contrast to when the Democratic politician was killed and the right wingers were 100% silent or "not the time to politicize"
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Who/How was the Democratic politician that was killed?
I was going to ask someone to research how many D's are killing R's (or trying to), and how many R's are killing D's (or trying to). Because it seems like it's more D's killing R's. But, I only know 3 stories. Trump, Charlie, and this new mystery D that you are talking about. My sample is very small. I'm asking you guys to do it cause you're at work for large parts of your day, so you have plenty of time for this.
I was going to ask someone to research how many D's are killing R's (or trying to), and how many R's are killing D's (or trying to). Because it seems like it's more D's killing R's. But, I only know 3 stories. Trump, Charlie, and this new mystery D that you are talking about. My sample is very small. I'm asking you guys to do it cause you're at work for large parts of your day, so you have plenty of time for this.
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Conservative nutjob shot her + husband, then shot another political couple, then wanted to keep on shooting.
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He is correct about that. Most mass shootings are gang related, but they don't get coverage for obvious reasons.
The sensationalized or politicized ones are not the majority. And shooting statistics are grossly exaggerated depending on who is covering them (and this goes both ways). For example: CNN (or whomever they use for research) has been very open that they call any incident with a gun within 1 mile of a school, no matter the day/time/season/details, as a school shooting. (We posted that article here years ago.) That's why they'll say there have been hundreds of school shootings in a year when only a few ever make headlines. (And a few is still too many.)
I believe everyone goes by the FBI definition for mass shooting though?
Highly doubtful. Intelligent people aren't reactive like that. They don't blame the hammer when they hit their thumb with it. Steve Irwin wouldn't have demanded we kill all stingrays.
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The rest of this is just a small rant on the Kirk assassination, how it relates to gun control, and just a ramble about why it happened. Feel free to agree, disagree, read it, don't read it, etc. I'm not going to debate. It was just cathartic to express it and I honestly needed that.
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Guns have never been and never will be the issue. Hammers and saws don't build houses.
I forget who said it, and I'm paraphrasing, "If you can take away one right because of the actions of a few, then none of us have any rights at all."
Guns will be first. Speech will come next.
And yes, I know that gun control is different than taking away the 2nd. Hell, go look in this thread and you'll find me advocating for certain gun control. However, make no mistake, the anti-gun folks will never stop. They want ALL guns gone, not just the "assault weapons". For an example of what happens after that, look no further than England where they, mostly, don't have guns, so people there stab one another. So much so that Idris Elba actually proposed, and he wasn't kidding, that pointy kitchen knives are the problem and that perhaps innovation can figure out a way to remove the points. BTW, same country where people are now being given prison sentences for statements (not threats) on social media because it "offended someone". (England is not the only country seeing this scenario play out either.)
Guns will be first. Speech will come next.
Charlie Kirk wasn't shot because of a gun. He was shot because a small minded idiot could not stand to have their beliefs exposed to the light of logic, science, and common sense. He was shot because of reactionary politics that go too far every time they address an issue. He was killed because public trust in scientists, teachers, doctors, the MSM, etc. has never been lower (feel free to speculate on why, but nobody can argue this isn't seen on both sides of the political spectrum). He was shot because social media is awash with hatred and it is proven to be VERY negatively affecting our country's mental health. He was shot because our politicians have amplified their rhetoric to include coded calls for violence. He was shot because everyone who disagrees with whatever things one believes is "literally Hitler, a nazi, a racist, a sexist, a homophobe, a transphobe, a fascist, evil, responsible for genocide (of what depends on which side you're on), wants to take away all your rights," and every other possible insult one can think up.
Charlie Kirk said, "When discourse ends, violence begins."
He would not have approved of any of the inevitable violence that will result from his death. Violence I truly hope does not come.
He was a man who dedicated his life to simply having conversations with people. He tried to change minds, but he did so through discussion, not force. He welcomed a debate with anyone. He never called for violence. He wasn't Osama bin Laden. He simply wanted to talk to people with differing viewpoints and see if either could change the other's mind. Literally, zero people have been harmed or killed because of Charlie.
For that he had to die?
If anyone doesn't understand how this country is worse off today, they're...I mean, being honest, not very intelligent or are deeply brainwashed. I really have no hatred or anger for the people celebrating his death. I pity them.
If we cannot get back to a place where people with differing opinions can discuss it without childish tantrums, ridiculous hyperbole, or violence, we're doomed, both as a country and a species.
RIP Charlie. I hope your death inspires people to talk again.
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If they find the person who did this,
- Charlie KirkSome amazing patriot should bail [them] out
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Context required.
My wife asked me "Is Charlie racist?"
So I showed a quote "I'm sorry, but if I see a black pilot, my first thought is 'is he qualified?'"
She said, "Ya, that's racist".
However, it was in the context of discussing DEI hires. So, it wasn't racist, it was dumb. To imply that an airline would stick to DEI hires so strictly that they would put an unqualified person in charge of a plane in order to meet a quota is stupid. Of course he's 'qualified'. You can question 'is he the best pilot?', but not if he's qualified. If it turns out he's not qualified, it will be due to some sort of fraud, etc. Not because of DEI hiring rules. He wasn't saying black people can't fly planes. He said that airlines might put an unqualified person behind the yolk because of DEI. And that's just stupid. But, that was his thing. Spinning things to his narrative and fucking with the people in front of him.
So I need the context in which he said "Some amazing patriot should bail [them] out". I would like the 10 minutes leading up to, and after that statement was made. Not just another carefully picked 2 second blurb from the conversation.
My wife asked me "Is Charlie racist?"
So I showed a quote "I'm sorry, but if I see a black pilot, my first thought is 'is he qualified?'"
She said, "Ya, that's racist".
However, it was in the context of discussing DEI hires. So, it wasn't racist, it was dumb. To imply that an airline would stick to DEI hires so strictly that they would put an unqualified person in charge of a plane in order to meet a quota is stupid. Of course he's 'qualified'. You can question 'is he the best pilot?', but not if he's qualified. If it turns out he's not qualified, it will be due to some sort of fraud, etc. Not because of DEI hiring rules. He wasn't saying black people can't fly planes. He said that airlines might put an unqualified person behind the yolk because of DEI. And that's just stupid. But, that was his thing. Spinning things to his narrative and fucking with the people in front of him.
So I need the context in which he said "Some amazing patriot should bail [them] out". I would like the 10 minutes leading up to, and after that statement was made. Not just another carefully picked 2 second blurb from the conversation.
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It was his response to Paul Pelosi being attacked with a hammer. I think it was a tweet, so there wasn't anything else.
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Not stupid... It's funny because you're missing context. It's about lowered standards in order to fit DEI quotas.Cakedaddy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 11, 2025 1:06 pm However, it was in the context of discussing DEI hires. So, it wasn't racist, it was dumb. To imply that an airline would stick to DEI hires so strictly that they would put an unqualified person in charge of a plane in order to meet a quota is stupid. Of course he's 'qualified'. You can question 'is he the best pilot?', but not if he's qualified. If it turns out he's not qualified, it will be due to some sort of fraud, etc. Not because of DEI hiring rules. He wasn't saying black people can't fly planes. He said that airlines might put an unqualified person behind the yolk because of DEI. And that's just stupid. But, that was his thing. Spinning things to his narrative and fucking with the people in front of him.
The judge who released DeCarlos Brown Jr so he could murder Iryna Zarutska does not have a law degree nor has she passed the bar (according to that article).
LAFD diversity chief says it's the victims fault if he dies because she cannot carry him out. This was in response to a question about lowered standards so that less "qualified" people could become firefighters.
The obvious one: Everyone in government...
The other one: Hollywood is chock full of unqualified people.
I could do this all fucking week. Stories from police departments alone would keep me busy posting endlessly. I, literally, saw a video yesterday of two female officers trying, very unsuccessfully, the arrest a guy. He wasn't a big dude either, but he was having no issue and he wasn't fighting back. He was simply not letting them cuff him. Then a big civilian walked over and immediately put the guy down for the officers to cuff.
Many years ago I was privy to my local city's police hiring. Thousands showed up to take the test. The results came in and the first person they hired was around #2000. Why? It was the first black female on the list. There's nothing wrong with that IF you're looking for a specific type of person for a specific task. However, for general hiring, it proves Charlie's point.
And this isn't just a race or sex thing. Most police departments have had to drop fitness requirements for the same reasons. Can't discriminate. That's why you see cops one Timbit away from a coronary trying to chase suspects who are laughing at them.
Sorry, don't want to derail whatever conversation you all are having. Just wanted to correct that.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
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And if you are going to derail us, AT LEAST do it with boobs. that was so many words without boobs.
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That's fair. I will rectify that today if I can get two items done before EOD. (I'm out tomorrow.)
And I apologize, but that's my style. I don't believe in "sound bites" when making a point. They're utter bullshit and part of why this country is so divided. Defend your position with facts or your position is shit. It's easy to say "nuh uh" and it means nothing.
And to clarify, "If the glove don't fit, you must acquit" is an example of what I mean by "sound bite".
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
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I agree, and to Kirk's credit he was willing to go out and debate.Leisher wrote: ↑Thu Sep 11, 2025 1:51 pm And I apologize, but that's my style. I don't believe in "sound bites" when making a point. They're utter bullshit and part of why this country is so divided. Defend your position with facts or your position is shit. It's easy to say "nuh uh" and it means nothing.
I had my 1st Shingrix shot yesterday, and a flu shot, and an allergy shot, and our youngest had a 102 fever yesterday, and the dog woke me up at 2am, so I'm not really in word mode today
but boobs, always good.
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I've gotten my second now. Both caused exhaustion and aches. The exhaustion was worse than the aches.
I'm off tomorrow. Heading to Detroit to have lunch with my oldest and a golf outing Saturday, so I think I'll be taking an internet break until Sunday.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
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That's kinda how I feel.
Enjoy your weekend! Even if it's Detroit
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So there is no actual information on the shooter except that he is a white, adult male, in Utah, with above average aim, and good planning skill. But for some reason Republican politicians and social media influencers are calling for war on the left? It's insanity, or worse.
Like Catt said, we haven't seen anything but condemnation from democratic politicians and anyone who isn't a faceless Twitter bot. People like me saying we don't agree with him or his values but we don't celebrate his death. He's on the record with some pretty heartless (especially about gun victims) and racist comments, and people bring that up, but these same people want less gun violence, and definitely not political violence. The MN rep and husband is still so fresh in everyone's minds.
This is starting to feel weird.
e: OK so there ARE some corners of the internet that just hate Charlie. He must have said more anti-black things than I thought because that representation of the internet will basically piss on his grave after this all over. I don't feel qualified to comment.
Like Catt said, we haven't seen anything but condemnation from democratic politicians and anyone who isn't a faceless Twitter bot. People like me saying we don't agree with him or his values but we don't celebrate his death. He's on the record with some pretty heartless (especially about gun victims) and racist comments, and people bring that up, but these same people want less gun violence, and definitely not political violence. The MN rep and husband is still so fresh in everyone's minds.
This is starting to feel weird.
e: OK so there ARE some corners of the internet that just hate Charlie. He must have said more anti-black things than I thought because that representation of the internet will basically piss on his grave after this all over. I don't feel qualified to comment.
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It's the same thing every time: Control the narrative, the other half is evil. Rinse, repeat.
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Also WSJ reporting that the "trans-inscribed bullets" may have been inaccurate.Trump Says Suspect in Custody in Fatal Shooting of Charlie Kirk
President Trump said on Fox & Friends this morning that “somebody that was very close” to the suspect turned him in.
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Some people are idiots.The ammo used was stamped “TRN” because it was manufactured by the bullet manufacture Turan.
And a MAGA saw the “TRN” stamp, and apparently thinks about trans people all day every day, and so that’s what they ran with for half a day.
It’s literally that dumb.
At any rate, he called Kirk a fascist and had a meme or two on the bullets.
It's not me, it's someone else.