Birth defect, child is born female, but has no pain receptors and fists are solid as rock.
"Sorry, passed our tests, this person can totally beat the shit out of women for an audience and advertisers."
For example.
There's a really clear and obvious line that people are pretending doesn't exist.
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Fair, but it's also fair to again point out one didn't appeal and the other dropped their appeal. It's not like this is nothing. They tested too high for shit women don't and shouldn't. The woman who quit 45 seconds in and had come to this Olympics to fight in her father's memory said she had to quit because she's never been hit so hard in her life. Trans or intersex, if there's an unfair advantage, there's an unfair advantage.
There needs to be a scientific measurement accepted by the vast majority of the world's medical boards that becomes the gold standard of "if you fail this" you don't compete.
Exactly.
Why do we always say everyone should be able to do everything? It's complete horseshit and utopian nonsense. If men and women are equal, then why are there no women in the NBA, MLB, NHL, or NFL. If they were good enough, they'd be there. Those leagues have been around 100 years, but despite gimmicks it hasn't happened. We have different divisions for a reason. We don't allow kids and adults to compete against one another (yet). We have different weight classes in combat sports to cut down on competitive advantages due to body makeup.
Men and women ARE equals mentally (In terms of capacity. How we process is different.), but we are not even remotely equal physically. "Trust the science", right?
Perhaps we are looking at intersex people in the wrong way? This will sounds harsh and I don't mean it to be. Should they be put into the same category as anyone else with a disability? Dwarfism, Down's Syndrome, being born without all or some limbs, morbidly obese people, asthma, and a billion other conditions prevent millions from competing at the top levels. Perhaps intersex folks need to be included in this?
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Educate this (points to crotch) with your lips.
I relent to your XX syndrome expertise, which you used to prove my overall point. So thank you. But how did you get details on the tests they didn't detail?
Also, that was a throw away line. I should have simply written "They failed tests designed to determine if they had a competitive advantage."
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Because they said she had excessive testosterone, was the only detail they released.
But, if the category is FEMALE, then how does an XX person with high testosterone level fail that?
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So wait, the undisclosed tests that failed them in earlier competitions have been disclosed, and it was merely some slightly high T, and that's what got them removed from competition last year?
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As I said...
I don't think any of us know what that looks like.
Ultimately, the universe isn't fair. Human beings who think they can make a fair and level playing field for every conceivable competitor are among our most deluded members. And honestly, their arguments are a showcase of their delusion. They also love to argue the exceptions rather than the rule. I've seen the cherry picked argument of not all transwomen dominate their sports. Sure, but the ones that do are doing so in such a ridiculously over the top fashion that it makes it pretty obvious they have a massive advantage. I've also seen pro-trans people today arguing all genders should be removed from ALL sports to make things fair. That's a special level of stupid right there.
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"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
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Women who become men and compete against men kick ass.
Men who become women and compete against women are bullshit.
The weird in-betweens......... on the one hand, they are such a tiny percentage of the population. On the other hand, there are now so many of them they are easy to throw against women in women's sports competition on the world stage. So, if nothing changes, I predict within 20 years there will be no regular, XX chromo women without crazy high levels of this, or that, competing at all.
Hell, they may need their own league at that point.
Men who become women and compete against women are bullshit.
The weird in-betweens......... on the one hand, they are such a tiny percentage of the population. On the other hand, there are now so many of them they are easy to throw against women in women's sports competition on the world stage. So, if nothing changes, I predict within 20 years there will be no regular, XX chromo women without crazy high levels of this, or that, competing at all.
Hell, they may need their own league at that point.
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These people have always existed though, if we're talking about nature. They're just rare. And I wonder if the high T levels make it harder for them to procreate, dunno.GORDON wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:40 am The weird in-betweens......... on the one hand, they are such a tiny percentage of the population. On the other hand, there are now so many of them they are easy to throw against women in women's sports competition on the world stage. So, if nothing changes, I predict within 20 years there will be no regular, XX chromo women without crazy high levels of this, or that, competing at all.
XX is an easy standard. XX with no supplemental T, maybe harder to distinguish between natural + dosed T, I dunno.
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Without clarifications, countries like China will start identifying these anomalies at birth, and put them right into "female" sports training regimes. Because why not? It's an easy button.
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How long was the Turkish assassin's viral pistol shot? Wondering if I could do better.
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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/artic ... in-yu-ting
So what in the hell is their criteria, that bullshit "low levels of T for 12 months?"Khelif and Lin Yu‑ting of Chinese Taipei (Taiwan) were disqualified from the 2023 women’s world championships with the International Boxing Association president, Umar Kremlev, saying DNA tests had “proved they had XY chromosomes and were thus excluded”. Lin is due to face Uzbekistan’s Sitora Turdibekova in a featherweight bout in Paris on Friday.
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China's been identifying people < 2 years old for the Olympics for decades already. These people clearly are not that common.
I thought I'd read she had elevated T, but XX. Interesting on the XY, then.
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On a more important note.
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"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
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I was born male. I went through the Marines as a male. Even back then, now and then I bumped into a woman who could probably have beaten my ass.
That doesn't mean I should be competing against them in sports.
That doesn't mean I should be competing against them in sports.
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First of all, agree. Men and women should not compete against one another in physical competitions.
Secondly, I think the idea of a standardized bar, testable, and agreed upon by the world's medical and sports authorities is the only solution to avoid unfair competitive advantage related to natural genders and/or gender mutations/deficits/etc.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
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If only there was a simple baseline test, something that was infallible. Like IDK looking at that 23rd chromosome which 9,999 times out of 10,000 determines how a person will mature at puberty.
"But that isn't my truth, bigot!"
"But that isn't my truth, bigot!"
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And this fits perfectly into my biggest gripe about a lot of the rhetoric from both sides of the political aisle: We keep debating and legislating to the exception, not the rule. I say that because while you type it to be humorous, there are a lot of people out there we think all the rules must be written to include that 1 in 10,000. Unfortunately, doing so comes at the expense of the other 9,999.
The rules need to be based on the norm, not the outliers.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell