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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:22 pm
by Malcolm
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:44 pm
by Troy
Just tried to watch this last night. Failed. Fell asleep before anything exciting happened.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:53 pm
by TheCatt
I took my kids when it was in theatres. It was alright. I don't understand the OHMYGODILOVETHIS reaction so many people have. I didn't think it was as good as Tangled, even.
The songs and characters mostly seemed derivative. The one thing I did like was that we finally had a Disney/princess movie where a girl wasn't bailed out by a dude.
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:36 pm
by GORDON
There's been some pretty strong arguments that the movie is actually about the older sister coming out as a lesbian.
Here's just some random link about it. Google it for more arguments.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article....ar.html
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:14 pm
by TPRJones
“If I was the Devil, what would I do to really foul up an entire social system and do something really, really, really evil to five- and six- and seven-year-olds in Christian families around America?”
Well, I'd send them to church. Clearly it will be the best way to make sure they turn into insane hateful assholes once they grow up.
What the hell? If I actually did believe in this God/Devil business, I'm convinced the Devil would be a major supporter of the Christian Coalition of America and their ilk. They've done a hell of a job of turning supposedly loving Christians into hate-filled rage beasts.
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:28 pm
by GORDON
I was taken to church every week growing up, but at worst I think it just made me cynical. Plus it probably isn't entirely hurtful to recognize bible metaphors and stuff. Our society and language are full of them.
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:38 pm
by Malcolm
I was taken to church every week growing up, but at worst I think it just made me cynical.
Same here. That probably contributed but was far from the only factor.
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:44 pm
by TPRJones
I was taken to church every week growing up...
Same here, actually. One of my few young memories was my shock at realizing at about age five that the adults around me actually believed this absurdity and weren't just playing some sort of make-believe. That's the day I realized adults were stupid. Then I grew up and learned every one is.
I wonder what the difference is exactly, that can lead some people to cynical enlightenment and others to kool-aid town? Is it just ingrained into who we are from the start? I certainly didn't have anyone around in my life telling me that this stuff was ridiculous; every single person in my family lived in kool-aid town. I grew up living the invasion of the body-snatchers movie, where you just play along to fit in so they never realize you aren't crazy like they are until you are able to get away from them all. Yet for some reason I turned out fine. Wonder why?
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:50 pm
by TheCatt
TPRJones wrote:“If I was the Devil, what would I do to really foul up an entire social system and do something really, really, really evil to five- and six- and seven-year-olds in Christian families around America?”
Well, I'd send them to church. Clearly it will be the best way to make sure they turn into insane hateful assholes once they grow up.
If I were the devil, I would propose hypothetical situations about other people being the devil.
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:52 pm
by TheCatt
GORDON wrote:I was taken to church every week growing up, but at worst I think it just made me cynical. Plus it probably isn't entirely hurtful to recognize bible metaphors and stuff. Our society and language are full of them.
Same. It seriously turned me off religion when I was a young teenager, and I proclaimed myself an atheist.
I later became "born again," but left church due to people, and pursue spirituality on my own.
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:26 pm
by Malcolm
Is it just ingrained into who we are from the start?
Some circumstance, some choice. I remember contemplating an all-powerful being that had created literally everything, blah, blah, blah, blah, ad nauseum. Then I tried to figure out what kind of dude could do that and simultaneously get genuinely bent out of shape about me not following his rules. It got worse after I found out there were almost as many different Christian denominations as there were gods in other pantheons, many members of which noticeably walked around every day without being smote from above.
I've found it to be a macrochasm of people's responses to the story of Genesis (or "insert creation myth here"). Out of Adam, Eve, Yahweh, and the snake, I still find Yahweh to be the one that comes off looking like a prick. That puts me at odds with the 3 major western religions.
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:09 pm
by Vince
Grew up Roman Catholic, but had a Sunday school teacher that was seriously fire and brimstone and pre Vatican II in her beliefs and instructions. Would have been okay if I'd only had her for a year, but this evil bitch convinced she needed to stay with our class over three or four years.
Who the fuck tells a second grader that their father is going to burn in hell for not being Catholic? Not that my father is a saint. There's a long list of things that might put him in hell but his not being Catholic is probably not one of them.