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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:25 pm
by TheCatt
I really liked the first two years of this show, and the wife and I have finally started watching season 3 about a month ago.
Eh.
It suffers from the same crap that most comedies do over time. They just make the characters/situations more extreme versions of what they've been in the past, well beyond the point where it's funny.
In real life, people change/grow. In sitcoms, they just go down some infinite spiral of some over-done personality trait.
Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:50 pm
by WSGrundy
There is more relationships(love) in this season and more in this version overall which I think hurts it. Plus a lot less Creed which also hurts it.
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:01 am
by TheCatt
We still haven't watched the last double-episode/finale.
Yeah, Jan and Mike became totally unfunny.
They made Mike a little human/normal at one point (the boat thing), but they've just gone to making him more extreme. It's not funny any more.
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:06 am
by TPRJones
I never cared for the Mike character anyway. He is almost exactly like a boss I had for awhile, and it's way too on-the-nose for me to be able to enjoy the show. It triggers horrible flashbacks.
I do like Jim and Pam and the rest of them, though. I watch and enjoy most of it. I just fast forward past the extreme Mikeness.
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:57 pm
by Leisher
I do like Jim and Pam and the rest of them, though. I watch and enjoy most of it. I just fast forward past the extreme Mikeness.
That's exactly how I watch the show. Mike is ok in small doses, but it gets brutal to watch at times because people that stupid tend not to be promoted to that level of management (in such a high profile spot).
The original played the boss much better, he was a typical stupid guy who wanted to be a rock star and get laid. Michael, in this new version, just pushes the limits. I think that sums up a lot of Hollywood though. They don't know how to write a good character so they instead take things to the extremes and think that works.
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:45 pm
by WSGrundy
I don't like the Mike character as much as Brent but because I find myself feeling bad for Mike.
Mike does stupid things but overall he is just a loser/dork/outsider who is trying to be a nice guy and wants friends where as Brent is just an asshole.
So if I worked for both I would pity mike and hate brent and which is what I end up thinking during the show. Just feeling bad for mike.
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:13 pm
by Leisher
I don't like the Mike character as much as Brent but because I find myself feeling bad for Mike.
Mike does stupid things but overall he is just a loser/dork/outsider who is trying to be a nice guy and wants friends where as Brent is just an asshole.
So if I worked for both I would pity mike and hate brent and which is what I end up thinking during the show. Just feeling bad for mike.
Excellent point, although not in the way you intended (I think...?).
When bad things happen to someone you pity, do you laugh? No.
When bad things happen to the asshole, do you laugh? Yes.
That's the problem I have with Mike. He's likable enough that you'd think someone would help him out rather than let him put himself in these situations.
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:28 pm
by TPRJones
I despise Mike with the white hot intensity of a thousand supernova. But only becase to me he is the exact copy of my old boss John, who is the only person currently still alive that I really would like a chance to kill personally someday. That sort of person doesn't deserve your pity. We are who we choose to be, and they choose to be worthless pricks who make the lives of everyone around them miserable.
I don't laugh when bad things happen to Mike, I mourn that those things have never happened to John.
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:31 pm
by Leisher
Dammit TPR, stop holding back. Let your real feelings out.
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:33 pm
by WSGrundy
Leisher wrote:When bad things happen to someone you pity, do you laugh? No.
When bad things happen to the asshole, do you laugh? Yes.
That's the problem I have with Mike. He's likable enough that you'd think someone would help him out rather than let him put himself in these situations.
Exactly. Even though I would think mike is a dork I would still be nice to him were as every time brent didn't something stupid I would laugh my ass off.
This is the only area where I think the US version is inferior to the UK. Dwight and Gareth and Jim and Tim are equal but the US supporting cast is much funnier then the UK. I think some of that is because the US cast seems more involved with the show.
It sucks that the US version is established because they really can't change mikes character now.
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:34 pm
by Leisher
Dwight and Gareth and Jim and Tim are equal but the US supporting cast is much funnier then the UK. I think some of that is because the US cast seems more involved with the show.
I agree with that 100%.
This cast is a lot more developed.
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:40 pm
by TheCatt
They could put Mike on an improvement plan or something to help change his character.