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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:37 pm
by TheCatt
I'd add in stuff like prescription drugs, or OTC meds... but we don't have multiple choice, just single choice.
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:55 pm
by TPRJones
Given the opportunity (along with a very low probability of being caught, a safe environment, and a lack of responsibilities in the amount of time required to experience and recover from the substance) I will try anything. Once.
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 7:14 pm
by Malcolm
Hallucinogens: Properly utilized, I bet they could crack a fuckload of mental illnesses. I bet they could seriously dent depression.
X: How this isn't used to treat shit like social anxiety disorder blows my fucking mind.
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:01 pm
by TPRJones
In a world where X is legal, I would be one happy little tweaker.
As it is I'm too old to score X. Not many folks over 40 at raves.
EDIT: Oh, and I'd also be a hell of a lot healthier, because I'd be getting a ton of exercise on the weekends. Something I'm never able to get motivated to do now.
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:18 pm
by Malcolm
Bill Hicks on drugs:
“They lie about marijuana. Tell you pot-smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you're high, you can do everything you normally do just as well — you just realize that it's not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference.”
“Here is my final point...About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography...What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, or take into my body as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet? And for those who are having a little moral dilemma in your head about how to answer that question, I'll answer it for you. NONE of your fucking business. Take that to the bank, cash it, and go fucking on a vacation out of my life.”
“If you want to understand a society, take a good look at the drugs it uses. And what can this tell you about American culture? Well, look at the drugs we use. Except for pharmaceutical poison, there are essentially only two drugs that Western civilization tolerates: Caffeine from Monday to Friday to energize you enough to make you a productive member of society, and alcohol from Friday to Monday to keep you too stupid to figure out the prison that you are living in.”
I guess you can tack on "and nicotine, just fucking barely."
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:39 am
by TheCatt
Sometimes I wonder if I would have quit smoking if vaping had been around.
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:56 am
by Vince
That was way harder than stopping drinking for me.
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:08 am
by TPRJones
TheCatt wrote:Sometimes I wonder if I would have quit smoking if vaping had been around.
I switched to vaping a couple of weeks ago. Quit a pack a day habit overnight. The vaping is not only just as satisfying, it's better than the cigs were. Makes it easy to quit.
Good stuff.
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:28 am
by TheCatt
I equate cigarettes and vaping to be the same thing. I guess I meant "I wonder if I would have quite nicotine..."
Cuz damn I loved it.
Vince - Quitting was so easy I did it 7 times.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:39 am
by Vince
Congrats on the long reprieve then Catt. I feel you on the suckage. I still have days where I'd like a foot long cigarette.
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:48 am
by Malcolm
Vape > smoke.
Maintenance on vape > maintenance on disposable paper.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:09 am
by TPRJones
I guess I meant "I wonder if I would have quite nicotine..."
Cuz damn I loved it.
Then why quit? Nicotine doesn't have any adverse side effects on it's own. Vaping takes away all the negatives and only leaves positives. And it's dirt cheap compared to a cig habit.
While people use tobacco for the effects of nicotine, they suffer adverse health consequences, mainly from damage caused by tar, oxidizing chemicals, carbon monoxide and other constituents of tobacco or tobacco smoke (Smith et al., 2003; Surgeon General's Report 2010).
In other words, it is the delivery system, not the addictive drug, which is responsible for the vast majority of tobacco-related disease.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:13 am
by Malcolm
Nicotine doesn't have any adverse side effects on it's own.
That compound by itself has some evidence for being carcinogenic. In pretty fuck high doses, granted.
Indirectly, nicotine increases cholinergic signalling (and adrenergic signalling in the case of colon cancer), thereby impeding apoptosis (programmed cell death), promoting tumor growth, and activating growth factors and cellular mitogenic factors such as 5-LOX, and EGF. Nicotine also promotes cancer growth by stimulating angiogenesis and neovascularization.
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:17 am
by TheCatt
I really don't need any addictions. But man it made ADD easier to deal with. I could focus like a champ.
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:37 pm
by Leisher
We're talking about just trying things here right?
Does anything you were given in a hospital count?
Does Nyquil count as hallucinogenics?
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:38 pm
by TheCatt
Nyquil doesn't count, it's an OTC (with robotussin, etc).
Yes, just trying.
What were you given in a hospital?
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:44 pm
by Leisher
Morphine and Hydro-morphine.
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:05 pm
by TheCatt
Leisher wrote:Morphine and Hydro-morphine.
I mean recreational.
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:34 pm
by Leisher
Some would say those are recreational.
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:35 pm
by Malcolm
Hallucinogens: Properly utilized, I bet they could crack a fuckload of mental illnesses.
From here.
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