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"If it requires the labor of others, it isn't a basic human right."

Discuss.

What's to discuss? That statement is correct.

It's a pretty common sentiment that health care is a basic human right. Yet that requires labor of healers.

Been pondering this one as I fought with AT&T today.

I think the phrase "basic human rights" needs to be examined. In reality, the only basic human right is to exist without the interference of others. That's it. Exist. Hunt. Fish. Breath. Make fire and a camp. Drink water. Don't fuck with anyone else or their shit and vice versa.

Now, if the phrase "basic societal rights" existed, then we could discuss what that would entail.

Hunting + fishing impacts other people's ability to hunt + fish. Making a fire impacts other people's ability to breathe. Camping impacts their options for camping. Pooping + peeing impacts their water...

TheCatt wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 9:03 am Hunting + fishing impacts other people's ability to hunt + fish. Making a fire impacts other people's ability to breathe. Camping impacts their options for camping. Pooping + peeing impacts their water...

I'm not sure what any of these have to do with forced labor.

I responded to Leisher.

TheCatt wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 10:01 am I responded to Leisher.

Ooooh right.

My bad. When I see him post my brain translates it as "gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay."

GORDON wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 10:03 am

TheCatt wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 10:01 am I responded to Leisher.

Ooooh right.

My bad. When I see him post my brain translates it as "gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay."

It's good to be an optimist.

TheCatt wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 9:03 am Hunting + fishing impacts other people's ability to hunt + fish. Making a fire impacts other people's ability to breathe. Camping impacts their options for camping. Pooping + peeing impacts their water...

Not necessarily, but let's take your negative Nancy thought process to its natural conclusion. Because the mere act of existing impacts other people, there is no such thing as basic human rights.

TheCatt wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 10:33 am It's good to be an optimist.

To be fair to him, he's never stopped trying.

Leisher wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 10:42 am Because the mere act of existing impacts other people, there is no such thing as basic human rights.

And philosophers keep debating, and we solved it in like 5 messages. Lazy fuckers.

TheCatt wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 10:59 amLazy fuckers.

Never end a grift.

TheCatt wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 10:59 am And philosophers keep debating, and we solved it in like 5 messages.

I have ZERO issue with our conclusion. So, let's move the goal posts.

What are "basic societal rights"? Also, shouldn't they be earned and not given?

Sure, let's keep you alive, but you need to do something for us. Like, get a job and don't commit crime.