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Guy opens fire at baseball practice.

Shooter is apparently a white guy, so probably throw out extremism.

What's the motive?

The culture of hate that trump created that didn't exist before January.

Guy was a Bernie Sanders supporter. Honest question, has anyone ever looked at the political affiliation of gun crime perps and compared that to the breakdown for the nation? I see and hear rantings of leftists calling for a gun ban and think, yeah... you probably shouldn't be allowed to have a gun until you get that anger management under control.

Vince wrote: you probably shouldn't be allowed to have a gun until you get that anger management under control.

Good thing the mentally ill in this country can own enough guns to supply a small army.

As for motive, do you really need extra reasons to hate DC douchebag Congressmen?

Vince wrote: yeah... you probably shouldn't be allowed to have a gun until you get that anger management under control.

Ha. It's never been easier for a mentally ill person to get a gun.

Shit, it's encouraged now by lawmakers and the President. http://www.newsweek.com/trump-set-overt ... ion-557237

Apparently this guy was arrested for a domestic thing. I believe that makes him a prohibited possessor. Not positive. They are treating this in the mainstream press the way they treat a Muslim shooter shouting "Allah Akbar!" before a massacre. They aren't sure if all the anti-Trump and anti-Republican posts on his social media are related to his asking if this practice this morning was the Republican's before shooting.

"Allah Akbar!" = motives unclear.

Same when it is insane liberals with dangerous anti-republican rhetoric on social media. It all comes down to the culture of violence that republicans create.

Just another shooting. Won't be the first or last today. We had one at a UPS facility a mile away this morning with actual victim fatalities.

The important thing is that everyone can go hunting with assault rifles.

What's an assault rifle?

CORRECTION. It appears it was a military style carbine. Thank god it wasn't a rifle used for assaulting. Or people could have been shot.

Troy wrote: The important thing is that everyone can go hunting with assault rifles.

Yep, that's why it's important to protect the 2nd amendment..."hunting".

Leisher wrote:

Troy wrote: The important thing is that everyone can go hunting with assault rifles.

Yep, that's why it's important to protect the 2nd amendment..."hunting".

Indeed, the militias are so well regulated that they regularly shoot up churches, schools, baseball games.

Goddamn, don't get into the interpretation of the second amendment today versus back then when a crazy with a gun could only get off one shot per flintlock every 5 minutes.

Again, it seems there is still a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of the Second even when people are being sarcastic about it.

Troy wrote:

Leisher wrote:

Troy wrote: The important thing is that everyone can go hunting with assault rifles.

Yep, that's why it's important to protect the 2nd amendment..."hunting".

Indeed, the militias are so well regulated that they regularly shoot up churches, schools, baseball games.

Militias have nothing to do with anything. It's the language used in a time when they just formed a militia to end England's rule. It's about the people's right to bear arms and form said militia if needed.

Take every single death by gun in this country and subtract 60%. Those people committed suicide. So suicides are just padding for the "gun death" numbers.

Of the 40% left, many are by accident or by cop (who will still have guns after you ban them all), I apologize I couldn't get actual percentages. Point being, all those can be tossed as well.

You can also eliminate handguns, rifles, and shotgun deaths since the proposed bans don't address any of them since they ARE for hunting and personal protection. (Even though we both know they would be next.)

Of the number that are left, how many do you actually think will be prevented by a gun ban? Do you really think criminals will no longer be able to get guns?

All that really will be taking place is you giving up more rights "to feel safe".

And I know the argument of "We don't need guns to protect ourselves from an overreaching government anymore!"

Until we do...

And for funsies, go compare the number of death by gun we have left after eliminating the political padding and compare it to the number of people who die from heart disease, cancer, drunk driving, or poverty and let me know why we don't do shit about those things.

Approximately 5,600 gun deaths in the U.S. in 2015 (I started at 14,000 and dropped the 60%. I did not account for cops, accidents, or the "we don't want to ban these...yet" guns) and 10,000 drunk driving fatalities, all of which count. Why is it more important for your government to take your gun away than the beer even though the beer is deadlier? Why haven't we banned cigarettes? Salt? Unhealthy eating? Etc?

But I do understand where you're coming from. Certain people shouldn't have access to guns. I get that. Too many people die unnecessarily. I get that. However, punishing everyone isn't the answer. Treating us all like we're criminals or mentally insane is NEVER the right answer.

Speaking of the mentally insane, want some interesting research? Go look at funding for mental health facilities and compare it to the rise in gun violence in the U.S.

And Troy, sorry if I misinterpreted your intent or anything. I'm killing the last few minutes of work before I go golf

Later taters!

There is a serious mental health problem in this country, and I am legit-pissed Obama didn't do anything to fix it when he had a friendly democratic congress for two years. I will be legit-pissed if trump doesn't address it either. Legit-crazy peeps shouldn't have access to guns, or cars, or heavy machinery, or pointy sticks.

That being said....

"Take away the guns" is just cheer-leading for Your Side when you don't know any of the facts.

Shit, if the mentality infirm are allowed weapons, I guess that's why old people still get to drive.

Leisher wrote:

Troy wrote:

Leisher wrote:

Yep, that's why it's important to protect the 2nd amendment..."hunting".

Indeed, the militias are so well regulated that they regularly shoot up churches, schools, baseball games.

Militias have nothing to do with anything. It's the language used in a time when they just formed a militia to end England's rule. It's about the people's right to bear arms and form said militia if needed.

I guess that's kind of my point. "Well regulated" and "militia" are in the first sentence of the 2nd Amendment. But are ignored or dismissed. No problem with whatever historical context "bear arms" meant, though. No problem taking that and running with it to the extreme and ignoring the rest.

Take every single death by gun in this country and subtract 60%. Those people committed suicide. So suicides are just padding for the "gun death" numbers.

What now? Padding? We are talking about people, right? When the government is fighting to allow people with mental problems access to guns, and people with mental problems are using them above any other method to kill themselves, why are we subtracting this like it doesn't matter?



I think at the end of the day I asses it as a threat to myself and my family. The current government wants me to believe that Islamic Terrorism is the worst thing out there right now. But when I take the number at the end of your gun deaths equation, and compare it to deaths related to Islamic terrorism, only one of them seems like a threat to me.

I care about things that actually seem threatening to me. Heaven forbid I try to make this argument though, because the response is an ingrained, STRICT interpretation of (only 1/2) an amendment from 1791.

House debate on easing some gun restrictions cancelled after shooting.

The panel had been due to debate the "Sportsmen's Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act," which includes 18 provisions related to guns and hunting, as well as other recreational sporting and outdoors provisions.
The measure would make it easier to purchase silencers, transport guns across state lines and ease restrictions on armor-piercing bullets

If they would stop blatantly using hunting as a crutch, I'd stop bringing it up. You aren't properly exercising your "Sportsmen's Heritage" unless you shoot Bambi with a silenced M16 loaded with armor piercing bullets.