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Oh, more of a simple cupping? I hadn't considered that possibility. I would consider that to be sexual assault. Which is still despicable. But a bit different in nature, yes.

72 is the # you are looking for, by one count.

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You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means

True story: I googled the definition and laws to make sure. Mishandling of classified material is actually treason. Something the FBI, famously, said she did, but they declined to press charges. Why is a whole other discussion and it begins and ends with "corruption".

No, I think the upper limit of his comprehension is a fucking low-ass ceiling.

I know what you're trying to say, and I don't necessarily disagree, I was just point out the evidence you used didn't fit.

They're. Not. Fucking. Running. For. President.

Neither. Are. The. Other. Fucking. Republicans. yet that doesn't stop you from criticizing them non-stop.

Does that make them horrible, hypocritical human beings? Sure. I'm also quite glad they're not making important decisions in D.C. I'd rather them not make important decisions in Hollywood, but those elections are really hard to register for.

See, you think they're not making important decisions in D.C., but they kinda are. They're using their influence to persuade dumb voters. They're lobbyists. Another group of people who hate or do we just hate the ones supporting Trump. It's hard to keep this all straight.

Didn't he make his family like 50% of the speakers at the RNC because almost no one else of any notoriety would accept?

And Bill spoke at the DNC, you just contradicted yourself, but I know, I know, it doesn't count because...you.

And them not accepting is a whole other discussion for another time. I mean, the Republicans are the reason Trump was there and the fact that they're denying that means in four years we get to do this again. Cuban 2020!

Please, go find all my pro-Hillary posts.

I follow George Takai on Twitter and he never posts pro-Hillary stuff, but I know who he's voting for...

Please, go find all my pro-Hillary posts. I want to see where I tell people to go vote for her. Are you suffering from the same shared delusion as Bill Maher and Newt Gingrich that slamming one candidate is tantamount to lifting another? Are they attached in some kind of pulley system?

Well, you do personally attack everyone voting for Trump and any third party candidate, but not her... I think we all know who you're voting for.

And since you do say third parties have no chance...the candidates are pretty much attached. Pull one side down, the other side goes up.

This if fun.

I would consider anything involving unwanted insertion of a sexual nature to be rape. And if you've grabbed someone by the pussy against their will there's probably going to be insertion involved as a part of that, I would think.

Uhm...I'm pretty sure the women aren't nude in his scenario. Insertion is going to be difficult.

I thought the same thing Catt did, cupping.

Leisher wrote:

You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means

True story: I googled the definition and laws to make sure. Mishandling of classified material is actually treason. Something the FBI, famously, said she did, but they declined to press charges. Why is a whole other discussion and it begins and ends with "corruption".

Here's the actual, legal definition

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

There is no way that this is treason. And, given our Republican Congress, do you think they would have hesitated for ONE SECOND to declare treason given that they EXPLICITLY have that power?

Here's, your shitty source. 4chan + conspiracy theorists for the win.

Well, you do personally attack everyone voting for Trump and any third party candidate, but not her... I think we all know who you're voting for.

Okay, now I know you are high. Malcolm is about as likely to vote for Clinton as he is to lovingly caress the Pope. It ain't happening.

I can think of one reason he doesn't attack anyone here who is planning to vote for Hillary: there aren't any. Not a single one. Can't attack someone that doesn't exist.

Uhm...I'm pretty sure the women aren't nude in his scenario. Insertion is going to be difficult.

Spoken like someone who's only every known women that wear exclusively granny panties and hate skirts.

I have considered voting for Hillary when the election polls were closer.

TPRJones wrote: Spoken like someone who's only every known women that wear exclusively granny panties and hate skirts.

Leish got Catt earlier, but this one is good too, wrecked.

There is no way that this is treason.

Actually, unless you've seen the emails you don't know that (and neither do I) because mishandling of classified materials has been grounds for treason charges previously.

And, given our Republican Congress, do you think they would have hesitated for ONE SECOND to declare treason given that they EXPLICITLY have that power?

Truthfully, yes. I think the Republicans don't have a fucking clue what they're doing.

Here's, your shitty source. 4chan + conspiracy theorists for the win.

Not my source Malcolm.

Okay, now I know you are high. Malcolm is about as likely to vote for Clinton as he is to lovingly caress the Pope. It ain't happening.

Did you miss the picture of the guy fishing?

I can think of one reason he doesn't attack anyone here who is planning to vote for Hillary: there aren't any. Not a single one. Can't attack someone that doesn't exist.

Catt was one, and I was under the belief was Alhazad was voting for her. I wouldn't rule out Troy either.

Leish got Catt earlier, but this one is good too, wrecked.

I don't consider me "wrecked". Walking up to someone and grabbing their crotch like a hello isn't going to give you a ton of time to slip through and shove a finger in someone's vagina. Especially when they're resisting. But I'm not the expert at doing things to women who don't want it to be done like you guys are... (How's that for wrecked?)

Leisher wrote: I don't consider me "wrecked". Walking up to someone and grabbing their crotch like a hello isn't going to give you a ton of time to slip through and shove a finger in someone's vagina. Especially when they're resisting. But I'm not the expert at doing things to women who don't want it to be done like you guys are... (How's that for wrecked?)

We are in agreement.

I too was dismayed to find out that I was one of a few people on the board who recognized the line between crude language and sexual assault.

Once, when I was much younger, I was drinking. I was also on a new medication. I did not realized that said medication would interact with alcohol so... muchly.

At any rate, I ended up black-out drunk, despite only having a few drinks, and was grabbing the ass of literally every single girl who walked by in the bar. (It being UNC, lots of girls walking by). Apparently it took more than 20 before 1 slapped me.

Guess I'm never running for President now.

Oh, found out Leisher made the same mistake. Fortunately, they captured a picture of him that night

Did you miss the picture of the guy fishing?

No, but I don't fish or hunt so whatever the reference is it is lost on me.

...mishandling of classified materials has been grounds for treason charges previously.

Yes, in cases where those materials were handed directly to a representative of a foreign governmnet which was considered to be an enemy state. Clinton fucked up, sure, but are you suggesting she contacted someone from some foreign power and handed over the emails? There have been cases of accidental treason but only at times of declared war which this is not. It would have to be highly intentional and a direct transfer of documents to qualify as treason when we are not actively at war.

TPRJones wrote:

Did you miss the picture of the guy fishing?
No, but I don't fish or hunt so whatever the reference is it is lost on me.

I think it just means Leisher was trolling Malcolm.

Ah.

Leisher wrote:

GORDON wrote:If women hate that kind of language, who bought 80 million copies of 50 Shades of Gray?

The majority of women want to be whores in the bedroom. I can confirm that after years of extensive research...with your moms.

The majority of women don't want to be treated as whores outside of the bedroom. (There's a problem here, but it's a long conversation off topic from Trump so I won't go into it.)

One thing nobody has addressed about Trump's comments is that he clearly had success previously with that method. If not, then his talk was all bravado and should be dismissed as such. But I'd pay a month's salary that at least one married woman allowed him to be aggressive because of his fame and power. (And fuck anyone that wants to pretend that those two things are a huge turn on for the majority of women.)

This is not defending him, but for fuck's sake, let's reign in our outrage. Let's stop pretending that powerful men don't have whores who will do anything for a taste of that life. Let's stop pretending that a lot of men don't objectify women. Let's stop pretending that grabbing someone's pussy is worse than 30,000 classified emails.

And again, I'm NOT voting for this tool, but the way people act like everything he does is worse behavior than his actual behavior. At least he's being real.

Problem arises if this behavior is exhibited to say... a Miss Universe pageant that he owns and has a big influence on the future of these women. Then it goes from the woman being his whore to something entirely different and quite vile.

Leisher wrote:I was under the belief was Alhazad was voting for her.

Hahaha. No.

Alhazad wrote:

Leisher wrote:I was under the belief was Alhazad was voting for her.

Hahaha. No.

Alright, so for whom are you voting?

TheCatt wrote:

Alhazad wrote:

Leisher wrote:I was under the belief was Alhazad was voting for her.

Hahaha. No.

Alright, so for whom are you voting?

I'm not voting for a presidential candidate.

Why is a whole other discussion and it begins and ends with "corruption".

Yeah, it's completely beyond Trump to buy his way out of legal problems...

Neither. Are. The. Other. Fucking. Republicans. yet that doesn't stop you from criticizing them non-stop.

They're supporting Donnie Diarrhea in the face of what's going to be the biggest loss to one of the most hated Democrats ever to get her name on a ballot. It's because they picked the only motherfucker in the country, perhaps the WORLD, who's less likable than her if only for the simple reason that he is physically incapable of keeping his mouth from saying stupid shit, even at 330 in the fucking morning. Seriously, if that Emperor Tang of Planet Drumpf was muzzled since mid-July, he'd be ahead five fucking points by now. All he had to do was shut the fuck up and not come off like like the older, more lecherous version of Tucker Max. How do you fuck up something that simple? The RNC could've paid $50K to a high-class Vegas callgirl and bought a more legit candidate.

I follow George Takai on Twitter and he never posts pro-Hillary stuff, but I know who he's voting for
...
I think we all know who you're voting for.

I'm not George Takai, nor do I have a history of supporting Democrats. Your dirty insinuations, Tipper Gore, are in your own dirty mind. /PMRC

Truthfully, yes. I think the Republicans don't have a fucking clue what they're doing.

That would certainly explain the last eight years.

I too was dismayed to find out that I was one of a few people on the board who recognized the line between crude language and sexual assault.

There are moments on this forum when the general consensus shocks me. That was one of them, but I think it got straightened out eventually? The hub bub around that video of Trump is WAY overblown. Men are bending over backwards condemning the comments, and I thought the world was going mad. I felt like nobody was being honest. I've been in locker rooms. I've been in the military. I've spent time on golf courses and in gyms. I know how guys talk about women. Men are very sexual creatures by design. That's our job. To deny that is to deny nature. Go forth and spread your seed!

Saying something is FAR different than doing something. Claiming you can walk up and grab a woman's crotch is something said by a spoiled and entitled asshole who had women way out of his league throw themselves at him because of his money. Ditto for insulting someone who didn't want to sleep with him. He's a fucking child. Why are we offended by anything he says? People don't want to acknowledge that's the world he experienced.

This thing is just an example of what's been driving me crazy lately. We're focused on what's right in front of us, but ignoring everything that led up to it. We're (as a society) pretending that we're all perfect people and everything is great, so when some asshole says something like this we pretend to be shocked. Women are treated like dogshit around the world. In some places they're less valuable than livestock. Rape and murder are normal outcomes for a lot of women. Yet some rich prick says something derogatory about a woman and it needs to be headline news for a nation with an unlimited amount of other issues?

It also annoys the shit out of me that the people defending Trump condemned Clinton and the people attacking Trump defended Clinton.

This whole controvery and the men who immediately started condemning his words and claiming "guys don't talk like that" reminded me of this quote:
"Women are constantly patting themselves on the back for how difficult their lives are and nobody corrects them because they want to fuck them." - Bill Burr

I want to make it clear while I do think Jennifer Lawrence would fuck me if we ever met, I would not go up and grab her crotch as a hello. I also don't and wouldn't be friends with anyone who thinks that's ok. However, someone talking about it "as a guy"? I could see that, but only from guys I know would NEVER act upon it. I have a circle of 20 or so guys who do a golf league, poker league, get together for games, fantasy football league, go on trips together, etc. None of them have ever said anything like Trump in a way that wasn't clearly a joke and ALL guy talk is reserved for only when the guys are around. It's the same shit that goes on anywhere: Who would you do? Whose moms have you banged? Who's the best cocksman? Etc. However, to a man, this group is respectful towards all the women in our lives and women we encounter like waitresses, beer girls, etc.

Spouting complete horseshit to another guy doesn't make you disrespectful towards women. If he believes it, then yes, he's disrespectful towards women. However, just saying it is just saying it. An author can write a rape scene, but that doesn't mean he wants to rape someone or believes it should be common practice.

Apparently, I needed to vent. I do want to close with this: Each one of you has been on these forums long enough that I bet I could easily go find a statement that would get you condemned. Every person who has posted a picture of a naked woman is a potential rapist who objectifies women. Ditto for you all who looked at. TPR has posted non-nude images of women he thinks are attractive. How chauvinistic of him... You get the point.

Oh, found out Leisher made the same mistake. Fortunately, they captured a picture of him that night

Jealousy is a bad look for you. Be good at what you do!

Yes, in cases where those materials were handed directly to a representative of a foreign governmnet which was considered to be an enemy state. Clinton fucked up, sure, but are you suggesting she contacted someone from some foreign power and handed over the emails? There have been cases of accidental treason but only at times of declared war which this is not. It would have to be highly intentional and a direct transfer of documents to qualify as treason when we are not actively at war.

I don't disagree with that, but serious question. If you're a political candidate running for office here and you take money from foreign donors, is that in the best interest of the country? There's so much smoke with Clinton (and fire if we're being honest).

How are people in jail and generals losing their jobs because they did exactly what she did to a far lesser degree yet she walks free and is about to be president? But Trump made a lewd comment about a woman, so that's the far bigger issue?

I think it just means Leisher was trolling Malcolm.

Yeah, I was in both threads. We were in the process of terminating someone yesterday afternoon and I wasn't in the best mood. I needed something to distract me, so I figured I'd jump into the political threads and see what happened. Malcolm, whose on the forums as much as I am, did not disappoint. If you go back and look it's a hilarious discussion because it's clear neither one of us are voting for either of the two big candidates and we're just discussing bullshit aesthetics of both and their scandals. It's all ridiculously pointless. We all know who the next president will be. We all know it'll be business as usual. We all know which parties run the government and what chances any of us have of changing the system. Still, sometimes we need to vent or just discuss the absurdity of the system.

So I guess I wouldn't call it trolling. It was more purposely engaging someone in a discussion that I knew wouldn't be conciliatory. Although the stumping and voting for Hillary was clearly trolling. I thought it was blatantly obvious.

Problem arises if this behavior is exhibited to say... a Miss Universe pageant that he owns and has a big influence on the future of these women. Then it goes from the woman being his whore to something entirely different and quite vile.

I apologize, I don't follow the meaning of your comment.

Yeah, it's completely beyond Trump to buy his way out of legal problems...

I have no recollection of what you are responding to here, but I'll say the other candidate does the same. (Does that response fit?)

They're supporting Donnie Diarrhea in the face of what's going to be the biggest loss to one of the most hated Democrats ever to get her name on a ballot. It's because they picked the only motherfucker in the country, perhaps the WORLD, who's less likable than her if only for the simple reason that he is physically incapable of keeping his mouth from saying stupid shit, even at 330 in the fucking morning. Seriously, if that Emperor Tang of Planet Drumpf was muzzled since mid-July, he'd be ahead five fucking points by now. All he had to do was shut the fuck up and not come off like like the older, more lecherous version of Tucker Max. How do you fuck up something that simple? The RNC could've paid $50K to a high-class Vegas callgirl and bought a more legit candidate.

I disagree with none of that. My point was simply that you should treat both equally, and during our discussion you weren't and generally haven't been. Hell, neither had the public or the MSM. We all know what a dumpster fire Trump and the GOP are, but everyone is pretending the Dems didn't have a tight race between a socialist and the most corrupt and unethical politician in our lifetime.

I'm not George Takai, nor do I have a history of supporting Democrats. Your dirty insinuations, Tipper Gore, are in your own dirty mind. /PMRC

See? This was clearly me trolling.

That would certainly explain the last eight years.

I'd go back farther.

Funny side note on Trump: I was listening to Jimmy Kimmel on Simmons podcast and said after the election nobody will have a clue what to talk about. All the late night talk shows and SNL will be desperate for material since Trump will be gone.

Will Hillary become the most mocked president since W? And will we see a public outcry against her critics claiming they're misogynistic the same way critics of Obama were "racist"?

Leisher wrote:And will we see a public outcry against her critics claiming they're misogynistic the same way critics of Obama were "racist"?

Sexist.

All the late night talk shows and SNL will be desperate for material since Trump will be gone.

They really think he's going to lose his power of speech right after election day? The forward-facing asshole he calls his mouth isn't going to go silent until he finishes his petulant rants, and that could go on for weeks.