It's certainly a free country, but he was advised to quit doing what he was doing, which certainly makes him eligible for 2nd degree murder, something along the lines of "reckless disregard."
Uh, what am I missing here that you're taking this so personally?
According to Zimmerman, he DID quit following Trayvon and was either at his truck or on his way to it when Trayvon came up behind him and started the confrontation.
IF that's true, and so far evidence points to his story being legit, then how can you say he's responsible for Trayvon's death?
If Trayvon started the confrontation, threw the first punch, and was slamming Zimmerman's head into cement, Zimmerman was within his rights, by law, to kill Trayvon.
That's not opinion. That's fact.
IF Zimmerman's story is proven to be false, then he's facing murder or manslaughter. However, it seems to me that you've already convicted him.
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Normally I would have no opinion in something like this, but in this particular case, the screeching of the "black community" for Zimmerman's head, and the media's outright LIES in service of that, are bringing me down on Zimmerman's side. Given what we know---i.e., very little, other than Zimmerman was getting assaulted by Martin---is for enough for reasonable doubt. Were I on the jury, and there were no other facts in evidence, I would vote to acquit.
Fuckit, I don't care if this sounds racist: Black People Are Violent. There are too, too many examples of blacks beating people, stomping people, LIGHTING PEOPLE ON FIRE, for white people to be afraid to use deadly force to protect themselves against blacks. And that's what we're going to get, if prosecutors can be bullied by a lying news media into trying a man for murder for defending himself.
I think it's very likely Zimmerman went too far in pushing Trayvon and is minimizing that point to protect himself. I think if that is true he should be punished. Not that Trayvon was necessarily entirely innocent. I'm sure he pushed Zimmerman some right at the end of the encounter and helped along this tragedy with his stupidity compounded on top of Zimmerman's.
However, none of that matters. There is clearly not enough evidence to convict. Reasonable doubt and all that. And so be it, sometimes that's how the justice system works.
I don't think Zimmerman is an intentional murderer who will go out and find another victim. I suspect that if he did screw up here and cause this he'll probably be haunted by it for the rest of his life. And that will have to be punishment enough.
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It's certainly a free country, but he was advised to quit doing what he was doing, which certainly makes him eligible for 2nd degree murder, something along the lines of "reckless disregard."
Uh, what am I missing here that you're taking this so personally?
According to Zimmerman, he DID quit following Trayvon and was either at his truck or on his way to it when Trayvon came up behind him and started the confrontation.
IF that's true, and so far evidence points to his story being legit, then how can you say he's responsible for Trayvon's death?
If Trayvon started the confrontation, threw the first punch, and was slamming Zimmerman's head into cement, Zimmerman was within his rights, by law, to kill Trayvon.
That's not opinion. That's fact.
IF Zimmerman's story is proven to be false, then he's facing murder or manslaughter. However, it seems to me that you've already convicted him.
Not aware I'm taking anything personally?
I've seen/heard/read no evidence/witnesses supporting his story whatsoever. Feel free to link some.
Sure, he was within his rights, except for the fact that he started the whole thing. He was the instigator, and he did it, probably because he felt confident from having a gun.
I absolutely think he's guilty of manslaughter or more, but that's just my opinion based on what I know. I obviously cannot convict him, and certainly we don't know the truth (and, never will).
He should sit in his house, posting his opinions on the tubes, and then no one would ever have gotten hurt.
With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk, leaving him bloody and battered, law-enforcement authorities told the Orlando Sentinel.
That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses, authorities say.
There's more out there that say or, to be fair, imply at least one person saw the altercation or part of it. (Google them, you'll see they're from "legit" sources from both political viewpoints.) There's lots of news articles that talk about George's obvious injuries. There's no doubt his nose was broken and the back of his head banged up.
Again, IF Zimmerman's story is true, the shooting occurred because Trayvon initiated the confrontation and aggression. However, I'm still torn on Zimmerman's initial tailing of Trayvon. It could easily be argued that his motives were ok in tailing Trayvon, but the "why" is suspect. That's what the protestors are pissed about, that "why". Also, it's very clear he shouldn't have tailed Trayvon per what the police trained him to do.
However, I think everything prior to the confrontation is a separate issue from the actual confrontation. Zimmerman could very well be in the wrong for everything that happened until the confrontation occurred, but once that started, IF Zimmerman's story is true, then per the "Stand Your Ground" law, he's innocent.
Obviously, if his story is BS, then he deserves jail.
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I thought the police story had already been shot down as basically just accepting what Zimmerman said, leading witnesses, and basically being a bunch of BS so they didn't have to do any work.
He's still out there tailing and creating this incident. So yes, I still think he's guilty.
At any rate, I think we will never, ever know what happened between the 911 call and the shooting.
Only one person alive knows, but that will not stop this circus from happening.
I would never have turned myself in. He is either going to go to prison forever, or be released which will cause OJ-sized race riots, and have a target on his back forever, all based on whether the jury hated black people, or white people more. Yes, I realize he is as white as Obama is... but that is how this story is being told. Whitey killed a black man. No matter how long the lawyers talk, it is all circumstantial, at this point.
I would have disappeared when I had the chance.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
OK, I'm guessing he gets manslaughter or something. Unless the uncovered something in the investigation, we still have him tailing, getting out of his SUV, and approaching Travyon. Maybe there's no criminal case, maybe it's just civil. But I still think he is guilty/responsible based on what we know.
I thought the police story had already been shot down as basically just accepting what Zimmerman said, leading witnesses, and basically being a bunch of BS so they didn't have to do any work.
Just wow. If I were you, I'd switch news sources. I'm not sure how you arrived at those conclusions regarding this case, but the black panthers approve.
I mean, if you think George Zimmerman is the whitest man alive who was driving around in his KKK outfit and snuck up behind Martin, while he was rescuing an orphan and a puppy from a tornado, and murdered him in cold blood for no reason, then yes, your statement is accurate.
There has been no part of this investigation that the police have fucked up.
Read that again for effect.
When the MSM ran with this story, they immediately tried to go after the cops as being racist, but they failed miserably. That's why that angle has been dropped by everyone except for the racist protestors who are using Trayvon's death to further their own agenda.
The MSM were outraged when they found out nobody was arrested, and the police responded by saying "we can't arrest him due to the 'Stand Your Ground' law". Then the white police chief stepped down temporarily as a show of transparency. The new chief, who is black, stepped up and said, "we can't arrest him due to the 'Stand Your Ground' law."
There has been ZERO evidence that shows George Zimmerman should have been arrested, even NOW. That's why legal experts are so stunned that they're charging him with 2nd degree murder.
Saying the cops have fucked the case up was ALL OPINION. It wasn't based on any facts whatsoever. It literally was based on racism. "Black kid dies and nobody gets arrested because of the racist cops."
No, because of a law that the MSM, and most people don't know or understand that Florida and 16 other states put into place so people can stop being victims.
Unless the uncovered something in the investigation, we still have him tailing, getting out of his SUV, and approaching Travyon. Maybe there's no criminal case, maybe it's just civil. But I still think he is guilty/responsible based on what we know.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Actually, let me break that down more specifically:
we still have him tailing
Yep
getting out of his SUV
Yep
and approaching Travyon.
NOPE. Not according to the official version of events.
The MSM painted George as the one who started the confrontation way back when this story first broke. They talked about how Trayvon was on the phone with his girlfriend, and how he told her he was going to walk faster to get away from the guy following him.
That girlfriend is part of why people got their panties in a bunch. Her story helped paint Trayvon as the victim. They couldn't believe the cops didn't interview her. What people don't get is that her story is meaningless. She wasn't talking to Trayvon when the confrontation occurred, and SHE WASN'T THERE. So everything she says he told her means nothing because there's no proof it's the truth.
You could call me and describe driving through the city while you're really at home chopping up a transient. Talking on the phone to someone doesn't prove any alibi or evidence.
Back to the official story, right now the guy whose story is checking out is Zimmerman's.
He was on the phone with the police and they said not to tail Martin and he said "ok", and claims to have stopped. He claims he was heading back to his truck when Trayvon approached him from his rear and to the left. He details a conversation that he and Trayvon had at that moment. He says Trayvon asked him if he had a problem, told him he did now, and then decked him with one punch, which broke his nose. Guess what? Zimmerman has a broken nose!!!! He says Trayvon was on top of him slamming his head into the pavement telling him he's going to die today. Guess what? Zimmerman has wounds on the back of his head to match this story!!!! That's when he shot Trayvon and guess what, his wounds match up too!
Oh, and the stories given by witnesses match Zimmerman's story.
So right now, ask yourself something: Trayvon is dead. His call with his girlfriend was ended prior to the altercation. All witnesses and Zimmerman tell one story. There is no video of the incident. The police say Zimmerman's story is checking out based on all evidence.
Those are all FACTS.
So who is telling this other story? Where are these "facts" coming from that Trayvon wasn't the aggressor, and that Zimmerman was just a racist monster looking to kill an innocent black kid?
Look no farther than the MSM and the hate mongers like Sharpton and Jackson.
So that's what we know based on all evidence presented to the public.
Now, I agree that Zimmerman put himself and Martin in harm's way by tailing Trayvon, but who is ultimately responsible for Trayvon's death?
If the current evidence presented proves to be true, Trayvon is responsible for Trayvon getting killed.
End of story.
Oh, and here's something interesting, did you know that this occurred one month before the MSM picked up on the story? That community didn't even bat an eye at the incident. Now it's national news?!?
Now what about this story do you think made the MSM run with it?
Why has the MSM said that the recent story of two white people who got carjacked, kidnapped, tortured, raped, and murdered by 5-6 black people isn't national news worthy? (Google Channon Christian, but I warn you, it isn't pretty. What happened to those two has haunted me since I learned about that case. It's one of the most horrific crimes ever. What's even more disgusting is how the left has pretended like it isn't a big deal. Read the details of the actual crime, read the sensationalized email that stretches the truth, then read the Snopes site and it's OPINION piece on the issue. I used to think the "Snopes is liberally biased" claims were BS, but between this one, and a couple of politically themed ones I've seen there recently, I know it's true. Many of their articles are based on opinion and speculation, and not actual researched facts. Did I get off on a tangent there or what? Is anyone still reading this?)
What I would like answered is, why did the media go all-out in trying to create race riots?
This is simple: money.
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
You're probably still buying the media's bullshit.
I took the media’s claims at face value and erroneously labeled George Zimmerman a murderer based upon false information that was designed to arrange a lynching.
I won’t get fooled again...
*MY* first clue that this was bullshit was Al Sharpton. Why is he still listened to anyway?
