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Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:44 pm
by TheCatt
There will be a fight. But I would be surprised if we don't have pot legal in at least 10 states 10 years from now.
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:46 pm
by Malcolm
TheCatt wrote:Colorado and Washington have already legalized it... Less than 20 years ago we had DOMA. Now 14 states and DC allow gay marriage.
They are still subject to federal raids, dependent upon how twisted someone's panties are that day. Federal law > local law here because ... interstate commerce clause ... something something something.
There's not enough money in keeping gay people from getting married. There isn't a federal agency in place whose purpose in life is to fight it here and across the globe, damn the international legal boundaries.
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:49 pm
by TheCatt
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:08 am
by TPRJones
For now, sure. But who knows what the next administration will do, or if this one will change it's mind tomorrow.
And nothing says that you live in a just society quite like having to gauge your chances of being imprisoned each day based on some corrupt politician's whims.
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:25 pm
by Malcolm
I believe nothing until they write it down and give up their bullshit legal argument that means they can still overrule you if they want, they're just being nice for the time being.
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:13 pm
by TheCatt
Oklahoma court battle a win for gay marriage.
I don't understand this thinking:
Gov. Mary Fallin spoke out against the ruling, which she said defied the views of 75% of those who voted in favor of limiting marriage to a man and woman.
"I support the right of Oklahoma's voters to govern themselves on this and other policy matters," Fallin said. "I am disappointed in the judge's ruling and troubled that the will of the people has once again been ignored by the federal government."
So if 51% thought slavery was OK, she'd be for it? 51% wanted convicts to fight each other to death, she'd be for it?
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:14 am
by TPRJones
TheCatt wrote:So if 51% thought slavery was OK, she'd be for it? 51% wanted convicts to fight each other to death, she'd be for it?
It's still cool - at least among the bigoted religious folks that voted for her - to hate on the gays. You could get in trouble for hating on the blacks these days.
I'd bet she'd be okay with the second one, though. At least until the cries about it being racism because all the convicts are black, then she might pull back a bit.
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:02 am
by Vince
TheCatt wrote:Oklahoma court battle a win for gay marriage.
I don't understand this thinking:
Gov. Mary Fallin spoke out against the ruling, which she said defied the views of 75% of those who voted in favor of limiting marriage to a man and woman.
"I support the right of Oklahoma's voters to govern themselves on this and other policy matters," Fallin said. "I am disappointed in the judge's ruling and troubled that the will of the people has once again been ignored by the federal government."
So if 51% thought slavery was OK, she'd be for it? 51% wanted convicts to fight each other to death, she'd be for it?
We have a specific Constitutional Amendment outlawing slavery. We have no Constitutional acknowledgement of gay marriage. Or even of homosexuals being a protected class.
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:35 pm
by TheCatt
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:01 pm
by Vince
I'm not getting the 14th amendment part. I don't see the gays anywhere in that amendment.
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:55 pm
by TheCatt
Funny, I thought they were citizens.
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:54 pm
by Vince
They are. How are they being deprived of life, liberty or property in a way unequal to other citizens?
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:26 pm
by TheCatt
Liberty. And, equal protection of the laws. Marriage. Not being allowed it.
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:28 pm
by Vince
Bah... they can marry under the same restrictions as everyone else.
I prefer my gays still in the closet. Much less whining and cry baby shit.
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:37 pm
by Vince
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:50 pm
by Malcolm
Vince wrote:I prefer my gays still in the closet. Much less whining and cry baby shit.
Just wtf?
EDIT: Yeah. Those days were awesome. Back when you could order chemical castration on someone that just busted his ass for your war effort. Back when you could beat the shit out of dudes wearing makeup and no one batted an eye lid.
Quentin is a hero of mine, someone I know very well. He is gay, and he was gay at a time in history when it was dangerous to be so. He had people beating up on him on a daily basis, largely with the consent of the public. Yet, he continued to be himself.
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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:54 pm
by Malcolm
Kristyn Decker, who spent 50 in a polygamous sect, said that comparisons between polygamy and gay marriage were off-base because of the power structure of polygamous relationships. “It’s not about choice,” she said. “It’s about coercion.”
I'm sure that's just ex-polygamist propaganda.
On the flip side, if you want ten wives, fucking go for it. Let me know when the aneurysm comes and mercifully ends your life.
Utah County Attorney Juff Buhman said last year he wouldn’t prosecute consenting polygamous adults unless there were allegations of violence, abuse or fraud.
I really can't find anything at fault with that statement. If more than two adults think they can make that shit work, have fun trying. Don't expect me to pay the therapy bills, though.
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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:56 pm
by Vince
At least you aren't going to try to make the argument that it's not coming.
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:59 pm
by TPRJones
Of course it is. As it should.
Any marriage arrangement between two or more consenting human adults should be allowed, IMO. The government shouldn't have any say-so in what sort of marriages people can and cannot engage in.
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:02 pm
by Vince
Personally, I want the government out of the marriage business entirely. It's a religious ceremony. Leave it up to the religious institutions.