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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:00 pm
by GORDON
TPRJones wrote:I guess that's fine as long as you are willing to pay the consequences for assault and battery.
For a lot of people that's just the way it's going to be. You don't erase a lifetime of... conditioning? tradition? not sure of the right word... just because suddenly people are expressing what we've determined is a disorder and they are feeling pretty today.
If I had a daughter, I'd have a seriously big problem with a penis getting whipped out next to her in a public locker room.
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:34 pm
by Malcolm
Is a vagina next to your son different?
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:36 pm
by GORDON
Depends. What does she look like?
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:49 pm
by Vince
TPRJones wrote:I guess that's fine as long as you are willing to pay the consequences for assault and battery.
Stack that jury w/ fathers and husbands and I'll take those odds.
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:05 pm
by Malcolm
Vince wrote:TPRJones wrote:I guess that's fine as long as you are willing to pay the consequences for assault and battery.
Stack that jury w/ fathers and husbands and I'll take those odds.
You roll those dice. Let me know how much fun community service is. That's coming from someone who's been arrested more than once and has had pending court dates the past five years.
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:07 pm
by GORDON
Malcolm wrote:Vince wrote:TPRJones wrote:I guess that's fine as long as you are willing to pay the consequences for assault and battery.
Stack that jury w/ fathers and husbands and I'll take those odds.
You roll those dice. Let me know how much fun community service is. That's coming from someone who's been arrested more than once and has had pending court dates the past five years.
I think even a lot of daughters on the jury would be pretty sympathetic.
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:20 pm
by Vince
Plus, I'm planning on moving to an area in the next couple of months where the guys more likely to get punched again by the deputy sheriff for admitting to intentionally being in the women's restroom than actually take his complaint.
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:51 am
by Malcolm
Vince wrote:It's insanity. An individual with junk in his shorts walks in on my wife and I'm going to transition his ass to the floor. End of discussion.
How very Christian of you. "Love thy enemy, unless he haveth a penis in an enclosed area with a woman."
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:12 pm
by GORDON
Malcolm wrote:Vince wrote:It's insanity. An individual with junk in his shorts walks in on my wife and I'm going to transition his ass to the floor. End of discussion.
How very Christian of you. "Love thy enemy, unless he haveth a penis in an enclosed area with a woman."
You've been making some weird arguments in this thread. Is that really what you think is the point of not allowing men into the ladies room? Lack of christian values?
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:00 pm
by Malcolm
That was merely a comment.
You don't erase a lifetime of... conditioning? tradition? not sure of the right word... just because suddenly people are expressing what we've determined is a disorder and they are feeling pretty today.
Traditions and the status quo exist to be tested and challenged. Furthermore, being a transgender individual isn't just "feeling pretty" and I wouldn't call it a disorder.
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:18 pm
by GORDON
You must have missed the links in the other thread where doctors and scientists said it was absolutely a mental disorder.
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:20 pm
by Malcolm
Sounds like they're still debating that and haven't come to a conclusion. Also sounds suspiciously like the same argument that was used to make homosexuality a mental disorder in most psych manuals until a few decades ago.
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:47 pm
by TheCatt
GORDON wrote:You must have missed the links in the other thread where doctors and scientists said it was absolutely a mental disorder.
Considering the # of things that are mental disorders these days ("Oppositional defiance disorder," for example), I'm not sure that calling something a mental disorder even has meaning.
Besides, you could always play the history card about homosexuality being a mental disorder, or women's behavior (hysteria), etc.
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:54 pm
by TPRJones
GORDON wrote:You must have missed the links in the other thread where doctors and scientists said it was absolutely a mental disorder.
That doesn't mean anything. I can find you some doctors and scientists that say being Republican is absolutely a mental disorder. Doesn't make it so.
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:07 pm
by Malcolm
TPRJones wrote:GORDON wrote:You must have missed the links in the other thread where doctors and scientists said it was absolutely a mental disorder.
That doesn't mean anything. I can find you some doctors and scientists that say being Republican is absolutely a mental disorder. Doesn't make it so.
I'll give transgenderism the label of "mental illness" as soon as "unfounded belief in a higher power" is measured the same way.
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:56 pm
by GORDON
I'm reminded of the story, "is there any amount of evidence that could convince you otherwise? No? Then I apologize for not being dressed for church."
At least my links were actual studies, not Wikipedia.
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 3:05 pm
by GORDON
And I am not going to have the same debate in this thread. If anyone wishes to, find the other thread and get caught up. It was only about a month ago.
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 3:06 pm
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:I'm reminded of the story, "is there any amount of evidence that could convince you otherwise? No? Then I apologize for not being dressed for church."
At least my links were actual studies, not Wikipedia.
There are over 40 links to studies at the bottom of that page.
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 3:08 pm
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:I'm reminded of the story, "is there any amount of evidence that could convince you otherwise? No? Then I apologize for not being dressed for church."
At least my links were actual studies, not Wikipedia.
Sure, plenty. Give me a brain scan of a "normal" person. Even defining that is a hell of a task. Then you can give me the scan of a transsexual's brain side by side and point out where, how, and why it's different.
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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:48 pm
by Malcolm
Air Force and Army overhaul transgender policy.