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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 8:06 am
by TPRJones
Vince wrote:I had to stop watching any of those series because the science got way too stupid. If you're watching a show about science and the science is stupid, then the series becomes stupid.
Agreed. I don't mind crazy advanced technology. I don't mind making up physics that are far different from what we now understand. What bothers me is when they take a concept we do understand and stick in the words in an attempt to make it sounds good when they completely ignore the concepts attached to those words.
If you you are going to try to use something real, use it right. If you want to make something up, then just go ahead and make it up, don't try to pass it off as something real now if you don't understand it.
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 9:10 pm
by GORDON
'm starting to think those weren't really black holes. I mean, one causes time travel, and one is used to eat a supernova, one is used to destroy a planet, and one is used to kill a ship. So now, what, we're expected to accept that there's a black hole right above San Francisco, which ate Nero's ship? That's still going to destroy the Earth... unless it isn't really a black hole.
Maybe it was just a phenomenon that eats all nearby mass in the immediate area, and then dissipates. Would explain why one drop would eat a planet, but then the whole sphere doesn't cause a galaxy-wide phenomenon. I think it is just a rendering of Ender's Game's Dr. Device. It just reacts to nearby mass, then stops.
Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 10:18 pm
by TPRJones
GORDON wrote:So now, what, we're expected to accept that there's a black hole right above San Francisco, which ate Nero's ship?
No, Spock led him away into warp first, remember?
I like your thinking about the Dr. Device, they should have gone with something more along those lines. It wouldn't have been so annoying.
(Yes, I know you're making fun of me, but I don't care. :p )
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 11:13 pm
by GORDON
Actually, no, I was just thinking.
I think the cadets saw a phenomenon swallowing Vulcan, and had about 5 seconds to give it a label. The sensors told them it had the characteristics of a black hole, so they called it a black hole. Truth is, none of them had ever seen that phenomenon before, because Spock invented it 130 years in the future.
They weren't black holes.
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 6:46 am
by TPRJones
Spock Prime labeled it as a black hole, too. Said that's what he was trying to create.
Of course, maybe he was starting to go senile, he was really old.
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 10:11 am
by Troy
TPRJones wrote:Spock Prime labeled it as a black hole, too. Said that's what he was trying to create.
Of course, maybe he was starting to go senile, he was really old.
But still knew the formula for beaming to a warping object.
Dang, when I get old, I hope I get senile, too.
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 8:37 pm
by GORDON
This is sort of funny... Why they put in a Beastie Boys song:
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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 11:35 pm
by TPRJones
TPRJones wrote:I thought Spock was saying "Fascinating" to the interface he was presented with, not the chair itself.
I stand corrected, he was fascinated by the chair.
Weird.
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 7:01 pm
by Vince
What changed your mind? You go see it again?
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 7:17 pm
by TPRJones
Yeah, and I was watching for that bit. Among others.
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 8:58 pm
by GORDON
Saw it again today... took my 3 year old.
DAMN those hand scanners on the bridge... I didn't hear any of the dialogue while those were on screen. They so draw my attention.
When I saw the back of them I even saw the empty RJ-45-like port where you plug the cord in, near the base.
Pulls me right out of the damned movie...
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 8:58 pm
by GORDON
Heh, I only now noticed I copied a shopped screen capture.
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 10:15 pm
by Leisher
Oh! And did anyone else notice before they jumped that Olson was wearing a red suit for the skydive onto the drilling platform and immediately conclude he would die?
I noticed that and laughed. I knew that guy was dead before they left the ship.
Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 1:21 pm
by GORDON
Something I noticed about the "why didn't the big red glob of black-hole juice make a fuck-off huge black hole?" question...
When the big glob of red matter started to ignite, it looked like 2 or 3 droplets began the reaction, and sucked the rest in before it could ignite.
Just sayin.
Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 7:09 pm
by Vince
The red stuff didn't bother me that much. To me it was one of those things writers come up with when they need a plot device they can't otherwise explain. So to me it was "magic red stuff" that can do whatever.
Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 7:14 pm
by GORDON
I think the only real problem I have with the movie is the ice planet. Mostly because getting chased by monsters is YAWN when you know they aint gonna get Kirk, but then meeting Spock? Wow, that was lucky. Being a whole planet, and all.
Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 8:05 pm
by GORDON
Also noticed in the second viewing:
At the beginning in the bar, Uhura orders, among other things, Slusho. This was a big drink in Cloverfield, and the ARG speculated it was the ocean harvesting of Slusho that angered the monster. I wonder if both movies now happen in the same universe, and the reason Starfleet is in San Fran is because New York was destroyed by a monster and nuked when trying to kill the monster....
Monsters certainly exist in the Star Trek universe.
Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 8:35 pm
by TPRJones
GORDON wrote:I think the only real problem I have with the movie is the ice planet. Mostly because getting chased by monsters is YAWN when you know they aint gonna get Kirk, but then meeting Spock? Wow, that was lucky. Being a whole planet, and all.
Eh, this I can accept. Sort of. It's probably the only planet with a clear view of Vulcan (although as close as it was it really has to be more of a moon than a planet). And Nero wanted Spock Prime to live to see the destruction so he'd have dropped him off near the only installation on the planet. Same for young Spock with Kirk. Not too much coincidence there, just luck that they were close together in the 14km range of the station they both ended up at.
The monsters thing was annoying. Reminded me too much of Star Wars Ep I with the underwater fish/big fish/bigger fish thing. *sigh* Thankfully it was short.
That "sort of" in the first paragraph: that refers to the fact that traveling to Vulcan, 40+ light years, took about five or ten minutes but a few minutes after leaving Vulcan they're still within the orbit of the moon to drop Kirk on. The timing is fishy. But that's mainly because traveling to Vulcan from Earth with that tech should have taken days, not minutes.
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 9:00 pm
by GORDON
Also:
Didn't Chekov come up with a plan to get ahead of Nero using Scotty to "boost warp speeds" or whatever, comeout of warp so near to Saturn's moon Titan that Nero wouldn't see them, and then beam on to Nero's ship as it went past Saturn?
Because Nero was already drilling Earth when they came out of warp at Titan. So what did I miss?
Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 10:11 pm
by TPRJones
You are correct. Probably that plot point was a victim of a change in editing.
I'm looking forward to deleted scenes on this one, maybe some things will make a little more sense.