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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:41 pm
by Vince
Muslim vs Gay. Guess we'll find out who rank higher on the victim totem pole.
Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:48 pm
by TPRJones
Egal also called 911 and told the dispatcher that the women were refusing to pay their fare, according to the complaint.
I hope he was charged for filing a false police report.
If he had refused to let them into his cab in the first place I would find it repulsive but not abominable. To accept their business and then kick them out on the side of the interstate is disgraceful. He should have at least pulled off and left them at a gas station or other lighted public area, and he certainly should not have insisted they pay for the privilege of being fucked over. He's lucky they weren't run over or attacked or his negligence would have gotten him into a shitload of trouble.
Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:52 pm
by GORDON
With as many false "I was attacked because I am gay/liberal/transgendered/whatever, and oh, coincidentally, there are no no witnesses but doesn't it SOUND real?" stories lately, I maintain a small amount of doubt in the lesbians' story.
I did not read the article, though.
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:55 am
by Malcolm
I still say shit you are born with trumps other people's religion/beliefs (aka shit you choose) in areas of biz. Would you boot someone for being ginger? Born with a tail? Women with a widow's peak? If "my beliefs" is the justification for how you can legally act, then I'm going to dream up the craziest-ass pantheon I can think of see how far that shit goes.
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:26 am
by Vince
I can understand the reasoning in that Malcolm, but freedom of religion is the reason people moved here from Europe to begin with. It is a cornerstone of our Constitution. And the founders built into the Constitution a method to change it through the amendment process.
And before you put all your eggs in the "born that way" basket, that can't be the defining line of liberty or we're going to have some issues with sociopaths.
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:45 am
by TheCatt
GORDON wrote:With as many false "I was attacked because I am gay/liberal/transgendered/whatever, and oh, coincidentally, there are no no witnesses but doesn't it SOUND real?" stories lately, I maintain a small amount of doubt in the lesbians' story.
The guy makes it pretty clear he dumped them from the taxi, he doesn't deny it. He doesn't think he was in the wrong about it.
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:50 am
by TheCatt
Vince wrote:I can understand the reasoning in that Malcolm, but freedom of religion is the reason people moved here from Europe to begin with. It is a cornerstone of our Constitution. And the founders built into the Constitution a method to change it through the amendment process.
And before you put all your eggs in the "born that way" basket, that can't be the defining line of liberty or we're going to have some issues with sociopaths.
Yeah, people will make up some crazy born that way shit, like people would make up crazy religion shit.
Agree: Freedom of religion is important. You are free to practice any religion you want, but that's a private matter. The government cannot force you to be Catholic, Muslim, etc. But that does not give you the right to not give someone a taxi ride, not bake them a cake, etc.
Do I love the government telling people what to do? No. But it's better than the chaos and legalized discrimination that is the alternative. I see no major difference between denying services to gay people as to denying services to blacks, military personnel, Christians, etc.
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:26 am
by Vince
Amend the Constitution.
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:44 am
by TPRJones
Don't kid yourself, no one pays more than lip service to that anymore.
EDIT: Well, unless it serves some politicians political ends, then suddenly it's sacred again for a few minutes. Or at least whatever clause it is that meets their needs at that moment.
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:26 am
by TheCatt
Vince wrote:Amend the Constitution.
There's no need. It's already there.
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:28 am
by Vince
Where does it say anything about sexual orientation.
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:55 am
by TheCatt
Vince wrote:Where does it say anything about sexual orientation.
Equal protection, for all people.
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:58 am
by Vince
TheCatt wrote:Vince wrote:Where does it say anything about sexual orientation.
Equal protection, for all people.
I can use your argument for the rights of pedophiles to marry 12 year olds as long as the 12 year old consents.
Equal protection doesn't mean you can do what you want.
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:03 am
by TheCatt
Vince wrote:TheCatt wrote:Vince wrote:Where does it say anything about sexual orientation.
Equal protection, for all people.
I can use your argument for the rights of pedophiles to marry 12 year olds as long as the 12 year old consents.
Equal protection doesn't mean you can do what you want.
No, you can't. They're minors.
Equal protection means you can't treat people differently based on who they are / are not in places of public accommodation.
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:12 am
by Vince
TheCatt wrote:No, you can't. They're minors.
Equal protection means you can't treat people differently based on who they are / are not in places of public accommodation.
What's a minor? Someone below an age that we as a society have arbitrarily set.
Saying that a marriage is a union between a man and a woman is a shit ton less arbitrary than saying an 18 year old is mature enough to decide to marry, but a 17 year old isn't.
How about incest?
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:13 am
by Leisher
I saw the headline, and thought, "That's bullshit."
Then I saw their picture, and thought, "They probably ruined lesbian porn for him." 
I still say shit you are born with trumps other people's religion/beliefs (aka shit you choose) in areas of biz.
That's fine, BUT the same folks arguing all the time about gay rights, and screaming "Born that way!" are the same folks who want to reform child molesters. There's a breakdown in logic there.
Not saying gay rights are wrong, but nothing is perfectly black and white.
I can use your argument for the rights of pedophiles to marry 12 year olds as long as the 12 year old consents.
Actually, a great point for my stance.
We're being told by the liberals/progressives now that we need to treat people as the sex they identify with, and by their orientation no matter their age! They're making an argument for the sexual exploitation of children, and they probably don't even realize it.
I think a fundamental law of nature that we're forgetting is you can't make everyone happy all the time. It's Utopian bullshit.
Gay people should absolutely have rights equal to anyone else. However, equal means not putting their rights ahead of other people's rights, and vice versa. Ditto for any other group, minority or majority.
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:15 am
by TheCatt
Vince wrote:What's a minor? Someone below an age that we as a society have arbitrarily set.
Saying that a marriage is a union between a man and a woman is a shit ton less arbitrary than saying an 18 year old is mature enough to decide to marry, but a 17 year old isn't.
How about incest?
You're really into this kid and incest thing.
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:17 am
by Vince
TheCatt wrote:Vince wrote:What's a minor? Someone below an age that we as a society have arbitrarily set.
Saying that a marriage is a union between a man and a woman is a shit ton less arbitrary than saying an 18 year old is mature enough to decide to marry, but a 17 year old isn't.
How about incest?
You're really into this kid and incest thing.
You're really into the plugging of poop hole thing.
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:19 am
by Leisher
Well, it was an interesting discussion...
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:22 am
by Vince
Heheh... Sorry Leisher. That just sort of set me off that somehow looking for possible unintended consequences to the argument meant I wanted to sleep with my sister or something.