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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:30 pm
by GORDON
Probably the best resource for the definition would be my kid's 3rd grade teacher who taught those 7 year old kids the difference between wants and needs, leading to more than one dinner time conversation about it. My kid didn't seem overly confused about the simple subject, but then he wasn't nitpicking this much, either.
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:35 pm
by Alhazad
GORDON wrote:Probably the best resource for the definition would be my kid's 3rd grade teacher who taught those 7 year old kids the difference between wants and needs, leading to more than one dinner time conversation about it. My kid didn't seem overly confused about the simple subject, but then he wasn't nitpicking this much, either.
Your assertion is that the subject is best understood by brains that aren't accustomed to thinking about nuances and degrees of relevance?
Bold.
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:36 pm
by Malcolm
You can "live" as a permanent vegetable or (at the other extreme) a brain in a jar. Anything else is luxury. Shit, you don't need higher brain functions, either. Lobotomies for everyone.
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:50 pm
by GORDON
Alhazad wrote:GORDON wrote:Probably the best resource for the definition would be my kid's 3rd grade teacher who taught those 7 year old kids the difference between wants and needs, leading to more than one dinner time conversation about it. My kid didn't seem overly confused about the simple subject, but then he wasn't nitpicking this much, either.
Your assertion is that the subject is best understood by brains that aren't accustomed to thinking about nuances and degrees of relevance?
Bold.
I'm seriously amazed that such a simple discussion was blown so out of proportion.
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:56 pm
by Alhazad
GORDON wrote:I'm seriously amazed that such a simple discussion was blown so out of proportion.
Well, everyone was pretty miffed that you cut off the list of what's essential at such a Dark Ages level of technology.
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:02 pm
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:Probably the best resource for the definition would be my kid's 3rd grade teacher who taught those 7 year old kids the difference between wants and needs, leading to more than one dinner time conversation about it. My kid didn't seem overly confused about the simple subject, but then he wasn't nitpicking this much, either.
One man's nitpicking is another's penetrating inquisition.
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:13 pm
by GORDON
Alhazad wrote:GORDON wrote:I'm seriously amazed that such a simple discussion was blown so out of proportion.
Well, everyone was pretty miffed that you cut off the list of what's essential at such a Dark Ages level of technology.
Catt says I don't know what I am talking about, TPR says I am changing parameters on the fly, and you say I am not allowing for modern tech.
I don't know why but people REALLY want to believe smart phones are needed to live. Whatever. This conversation stopped being fun yesterday.
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:13 pm
by TheCatt
GORDON wrote:Probably the best resource for the definition would be my kid's 3rd grade teacher who taught those 7 year old kids the difference between wants and needs, leading to more than one dinner time conversation about it. My kid didn't seem overly confused about the simple subject, but then he wasn't nitpicking this much, either.
This is the part that miffs me, if anything.
One teacher in bumfuck is teaching little kids simple concrete things at a time when conceptual understanding and moving beyond concrete terms is difficult, yet Gordon holds that as the Gold Standard of what a word means.
Need has many definitions. They learned a part of what a word means. The teacher did a shitty job.
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:57 pm
by Leisher
I have read NONE of this thread, although I've noticed "grumpiness". I do want to say that I think the bar of "want" and "need" moves for each person based on their desires, beliefs, goals, job, lifestyle, etc.
Amish people think you're all spoiled dicks with your central air and heating.
Some CEO who also lives to hike is grateful technology allows his satellite phone to work when he's mountain climbing. Yes, convenience can be a need.
I don't think there's a black and white line that determines want and need for everyone. The line moves for each person.
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:03 pm
by Alhazad
GORDON wrote:Catt says I don't know what I am talking about, TPR says I am changing parameters on the fly, and you say I am not allowing for modern tech.
I don't know why but people REALLY want to believe smart phones are needed to live. Whatever. This conversation stopped being fun yesterday.
No, I'm saying you're being obtuse, either on accident or intentionally to provoke a fight.
Needs don't exist without goals, so there is no such thing as an absolute need. You assumed everyone knew which goal you meant, didn't define the goal, left the other participants to supply their own, and then got annoyed at them for supplying goals with more personal meanings or discussing your lack of definition. I guessed at your goal, but it's surely not urbane to get mad at your other friends for not doing so.
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:16 pm
by Malcolm
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:01 am
by TheCatt
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:25 pm
by TPRJones
So, no one wants to answer my questions about needs as concepts instead of concretes? I was going somewhere with that, you know.
Oh, well. Nevermind.
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:40 pm
by TheCatt
TPRJones wrote:So, no one wants to answer my questions about needs as concepts instead of concretes? I was going somewhere with that, you know.
Oh, well. Nevermind.
Ok, needs are concepts... Go
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:35 pm
by TPRJones
Nope, it's too late now. GORDON's son's teacher has spoken and needs are defined as food, clothing, and shelter and that's all there is to it.
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 5:19 pm
by TheCatt
TPRJones wrote:Nope, it's too late now. GORDON's son's teacher has spoken and needs are defined as food, clothing, and shelter and that's all there is to it.
Well, she got 1 out of 5 right.
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:26 pm
by TheCatt
I think Gordon rage quit.
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:33 pm
by TPRJones
noob
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:32 pm
by Malcolm
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:36 pm
by TPRJones
I'm down. I mean I'd rather not, but as long as we're wasting everyone's money on horseshit, we might as well get good cheap broadband out of it.
