No, that wasn't my argument. I said because Batman has been in the public consciousness for so long, it is easy to make little parodies like the one you posted. It is only funny because we nerds have known about Batman for so long, we know him so well, in his many iterations, that your parody can be funny. If someone did the same about Hawk or any other character we just met, and we knew no back story, and we didn't know his many incarnations from decades past, with many different people portraying him, with many different artists writing him, it wouldn't be funny at all.
You say Batman wins because of the funny parodies we can make. I say unfair because he has the advantage of longevity that Hawk can't match, no matter when he was invented. The general public is only just learning of him. I am a nerd, but I was never a comic book nerd. I can't think of any way to parody Hawk besides... hey look the guy who is good with a bow is buddies with the Hulk and a Norse god. Or something.
Hawk isn't funny, yet.
Hell... from time to time, when I want to duck our early and quietly from some social gathering, I find a key person, usually near the door, say, "I am the night," and slide out. I can't think of a good Hawk phrase at all because 1: I just met him, and 2: no one would get it even if I did because no one knows him yet, in general.
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The Avengers
Alrighty...
1) Hawkeye is bad-ass because he shoots traitors in the head ... with arrows.
Batman once had a dude piss him off. This dude's only superpower was being immortal. Batman blinded him, defenestrated him, had him run over with a truck, broke every bone in his body by having him human-pretzeled into a trash container, and then launched it into outer fucking space. An arrow to the head ain't shit.
2) Hawkeye gets the ladies.
Batman napalmed and curb-stomped a dock full of criminals and fucked Black Canary on said dock while the corpses smouldered.
EDIT: I should point out #2 is the Frank Miller Batman.
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1) Hawkeye is bad-ass because he shoots traitors in the head ... with arrows.
Batman once had a dude piss him off. This dude's only superpower was being immortal. Batman blinded him, defenestrated him, had him run over with a truck, broke every bone in his body by having him human-pretzeled into a trash container, and then launched it into outer fucking space. An arrow to the head ain't shit.
2) Hawkeye gets the ladies.
Batman napalmed and curb-stomped a dock full of criminals and fucked Black Canary on said dock while the corpses smouldered.
EDIT: I should point out #2 is the Frank Miller Batman.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Hawkeye is efficient, Batman is kind of twisted.
Efficiency...
Instead of tearing up Gotham, Batman once decided to have a Soviet agent chase him into the sewers, then he boarded him up and left him to rot. Minimal effort, almost zero resources, no collateral damage.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Okay, but Batman can breathe in space.
No he can't.
Batman got his back broken by a junkie. Dude snapped him over his knee as if Batman was nothing more than a pool cue, and that dude is just a man without powers too. What a bitch.
He was also killed by a single shot from Darkseid's eye beams. (Yes, killed.)
He also recently befriended a new hero and ended up SPOILER his SPOILER to the guy, right before the guy SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER in front of him.
(No picture for this because honestly the story is worth reading. It's a trilogy written by Kevin Smith, and say what you want about him, the fucker can write comics. Pick up "Batman: Cacophony", then move to "The Widening Gyre". Only the first half of Widening Gyre is done, with it finishing up sometime in 2013. Easily one of the best Batman stories ever.)
And for the record, I don't hate Batman. I do think he's crazy overexposed though. This whole contest started because Malcolm, and others like him, don't know who Hawkeye is, and therefore just consider him uncool. Gordo and I are making the point that if Hawkeye was the "big name", and Batman was a new character, Malcolm and those of the same mindset would be saying, "So the spoiled rich boy is just playing hero next to all these actual heroes?"
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“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
As I said before to that Batman v. Wolverine picture ... Wolvie doesn't look fucked up enough to have gone even one round with the Bat.
EDIT: And I know quite well who Hawkeye is, goddamnit.
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EDIT: And I know quite well who Hawkeye is, goddamnit.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Wolvie doesn't look fucked up enough to have gone even one round with the Bat.
How should he look?
He has a healing factor. The guy fights the Hulk and walks away looking like he did before the fight.
“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell
Bats has dealt with Ra's al Ghul forever. In addition, he's stood toe-to-toe with Darkseid killed him (at least as much as Darkseid "killed" him). Batman dealt a mortal blow to the dude Superman couldn't take down.
Also, as a little known fact, Batman was never weakened to the point where the lowly Canadian gov't held him against his will.
Also, as a little known fact, Batman was never weakened to the point where the lowly Canadian gov't held him against his will.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Wolverine was held against his will in Canada, and there he is in that picture killing Batman.Malcolm wrote:Bats has dealt with Ra's al Ghul forever. In addition, he's stood toe-to-toe with Darkseid killed him (at least as much as Darkseid "killed" him). Batman dealt a mortal blow to the dude Superman couldn't take down.
Also, as a little known fact, Batman was never weakened to the point where the lowly Canadian gov't held him against his will.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
That pic was drawn up by a non-DC/non-Marvel artist, I'm betting. I'm unaware of any crossover where Bats and Wolvie fight. I am aware of one where they're fused together into Dark Claw.
EDIT: This all seems to be straying from the point of the initial argument that Hawkeye is just there to fill the non-superpowered human affirmative action quota that all superhero teams seems to have. Except he's not got the resources or psychosis that is the trademark of Batman. Iron Man is just a dude, but he's got a supersuit. Then again, he's easily taken out by an open bottle of liquor.
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EDIT: This all seems to be straying from the point of the initial argument that Hawkeye is just there to fill the non-superpowered human affirmative action quota that all superhero teams seems to have. Except he's not got the resources or psychosis that is the trademark of Batman. Iron Man is just a dude, but he's got a supersuit. Then again, he's easily taken out by an open bottle of liquor.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
I can't make the argument I want to make, because you haven't seen Avengers yet to illustrate how well Hawkeye made them all look like chumps.Malcolm wrote:That pic was drawn up by a non-DC/non-Marvel artist, I'm betting. I'm unaware of any crossover where Bats and Wolvie fight. I am aware of one where they're fused together into Dark Claw.
EDIT: This all seems to be straying from the point of the initial argument that Hawkeye is just there to fill the non-superpowered human affirmative action quota that all superhero teams seems to have. Except he's not got the resources or psychosis that is the trademark of Batman. Iron Man is just a dude, but he's got a supersuit. Then again, he's easily taken out by an open bottle of liquor.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
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You know what this discussion reminds me of?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTKTh2MRm-w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTKTh2MRm-w
Hell yes we're nerds, and this is miles more satisfying than the last 9 months of discussing who would make the better president, the socialist or the guy who isn't as big a socialist.
Back to the conversation at hand, if I ever worked in the industry, I'd make it my goal to write a team up between them. I think it needs to happen.
Both are trained on top of trained on top of trained. Both of their lives are filled with tragedy. Both have evil and sadistic arch enemies. Both do things other heroes don't do.
The biggest difference being that one is willing to kill. but it's a huge difference.
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Back to the conversation at hand, if I ever worked in the industry, I'd make it my goal to write a team up between them. I think it needs to happen.
Both are trained on top of trained on top of trained. Both of their lives are filled with tragedy. Both have evil and sadistic arch enemies. Both do things other heroes don't do.
The biggest difference being that one is willing to kill. but it's a huge difference.
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“Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.” - Dr Thomas Sowell