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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:00 pm
by Leisher
I don't know if we discussed this previously or not, but there's an MMA fighter that is fighting as a woman, but was a man until a sex change operation.
Here's an article about another fighter getting suspended for bad mouthing her.
Anyway, the suspended fighter doesn't have a filter, but does he have a point? Does a surgery and a few drugs really eliminate all the physical gifts that nature has given you?
Should this person be fighting women?
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:01 pm
by GORDON
No.
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:25 pm
by TPRJones
Other: Why are the male and female fighters separated into different groups, anyway? In Thunderdome everyone fights, don't matter none what's between your legs.
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:43 pm
by Leisher
The current UFC female champ says it isn't fair.
And this is from a woman who once beat the shit out of two guys who tried to rape her.
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:04 pm
by thibodeaux
TPRJones wrote:Other: Why are the male and female fighters separated into different groups, anyway? In Thunderdome everyone fights, don't matter none what's between your legs.
http://www.dtman.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=2;t=12929
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:05 pm
by TheCatt
No, it's not "fair," We all know and accept that men are bigger, stronger, and better at these things than women. So a few drugs are not taking away your chromosomes of years of hormones.
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:49 pm
by GORDON
Yeah. If there's a Y chromosome, it aint a female.
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:43 am
by Malcolm
Had to go "other."
Fox’s hormone levels legally make her a female and she would be allowed to compete in other sports as such.
This is a hell of an argument.
Rousey says she has competed in judo against hermaphroditic athletes and she had no problem with that, because “that was something they didn’t choose.” She would not want to fight Fox, but if the UFC said she had to, she definitely would.
3 points ...
1) She just said she'd take the fight.
2) What's up with this "something they didn't choose" bullshit?
3) "Had" to?
However, it appears the post-op in question wasn't exactly forthcoming.
Fox did not disclose that she was a transgender athlete to the commission or her opponents before fighting them.
That's a bit cheap, and those wins should be forfeited.
Why are the male and female fighters separated into different groups, anyway?
The same reason Ninja Warrior has a specialized women's competition.
What's this "UFC says I have to" shit? She wants to fight with the women? If any of them want to do it, let them, but give the women the right of refusal. She either quits or starts fighting with the men. Done. And her gender goes into the record as "woman" with a big asterisk.
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:27 am
by TheCatt
Malcolm, do you think people choose to be a hemaprodite?
"had to" -> UFC "owns" these fighters. Like "fight this person, or we kick you out/take your title"
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:53 am
by Malcolm
Malcolm, do you think people choose to be a hemaprodite?
No, but this isn't a matter of choice. This is a matter of physical build, muscle mass/distribution, aerobic endurance, etc.
"had to" -> UFC "owns" these fighters. Like "fight this person, or we kick you out/take your title"
Ah. Then fuck the UFC.
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:05 am
by Leisher
Ah. Then fuck the UFC.
What?
Fuck them for what?
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:05 am
by TheCatt
The choice was the dude becoming a girl. So her point being "hemaphrodite" is fair, cuz that's natural. Dude losing his junk and pumping hormones not natural.
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:21 am
by Malcolm
Leisher wrote:Ah. Then fuck the UFC.
What?
Fuck them for what?
"had to" -> UFC "owns" these fighters. Like "fight this person, or we kick you out/take your title"
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:26 am
by Malcolm
Dude losing his junk and pumping hormones not natural.
This isn't about what's natural, either. This is about physiologically matching people up.
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:27 am
by Leisher
So fuck UFC for being a for profit business?
Evil Capitalist bastards!
Seriously?
You do understand that if this lady is approved by the government agencies who govern the sports (UFC doesn't), then the UFC is forced to let this person compete, and if they earn a title shot, they get it.
How does that make UFC the bad guy?
Also, "own" is probably a bad way to say "UFC has their fighters under contract".
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:15 pm
by TheCatt
Leisher wrote:Also, "own" is probably a bad way to say "UFC has their fighters under contract".
To-MAY-to to-MAH-to
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:34 pm
by Malcolm
How does that make UFC the bad guy?
I don't know about the bad guy, but I'll say a bad guy. If the UFC were waging a legal war with these agencies you're referring to, they might not be on that list. It makes the UFC look like assholes because they aren't watching out for their other, non-post-op female fighters. There are genuine fucking physical differences that the regulations obviously aren't taking into account because said regulations were written without someone even considering this edge case.
To-MAY-to to-MAH-to
Amen.
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Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:41 pm
by Leisher
It makes the UFC look like assholes because they aren't watching out for their other, non-post-op female fighters. There are genuine fucking physical differences that the regulations obviously aren't taking into account because said regulations were written without someone even considering this edge case.
Until you can prove that statement, you're just making assumptions.
How do you know they're not making a strong argument against this person behind the scenes? I mean, if they do it publicly, then they become a bad guy to a whole different group of people AND potentially harm their relationship with government agencies that can essentially control their ability to do business.
To-MAY-to to-MAH-to
Amen.
Big difference actually.
To own them means they have zero options.
To have them under contract means they can retire, quit, go work for someone else, etc.
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:42 pm
by GORDON
They should televise the part where these people are trying to have an ordinary life as a Walmart cashier, but then the UFC comes and puts a gun to their head and makes them sign a contract.
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:13 pm
by Leisher
They should televise the part where these people are trying to have an ordinary life as a Walmart cashier, but then the UFC comes and puts a gun to their head and makes them sign a contract.
Zing!