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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:02 pm
by unkbill
Has been coming for awhile. Started with the first 100 days of office speach. Some old bastard in the bar saying "Well what has he done" Well give me an the man a break. It doesn't matter who started this mess. It is going to take time to get out of. In in a year or so we are still hip dip in shit I will say fuck this. I didn't vote for him but here he is. I do think he works his ass off to help us. Wheather or not he is right is yet to be seen. Yes he makes mistakes hope he learned to keep his mouth shut on black matters.
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:26 pm
by GORDON
It's difficult to accidentally spend more money in 3 months than every other president before you, combined.
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:44 am
by Leisher
The mere fact that he's pushing this universal health care bullshit is enough for me to declare him a disaster.
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:10 am
by Malcolm
Leisher wrote:The mere fact that he's pushing this universal health care bullshit is enough for me to declare him a disaster.
Him pushing it makes him a sell-out. Him believing in it makes him a fuckwit.
If it actually gets thru both houses & signed into law, then I'll call it a disaster. WWIII almost happened a shitload of times.
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:57 pm
by Mommy Dearest
GORDON wrote:It's difficult to accidentally spend more money in 3 months than every other president before you, combined.
Looking for stats on that. Is it fact or internet fact?
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:58 pm
by GORDON
Mommy Dearest wrote:GORDON wrote:It's difficult to accidentally spend more money in 3 months than every other president before you, combined.
Looking for stats on that. Is it fact or internet fact?
Have seen it in print more than once. All I got.
Check whitehouse.gov. I bet they're really proud of it and have it on the front page.
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:56 pm
by TPRJones
National Debt Road Trip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5yxFtTwDcc
There's links on the video to the raw data sources (the treasure department for historical data, and whitehouse.gov for the spending plans for the next few years).
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:01 am
by TPRJones
I like this guy's videos. Here's another good one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWt8hTayupE
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:16 am
by Malcolm
Mommy Dearest wrote:GORDON wrote:It's difficult to accidentally spend more money in 3 months than every other president before you, combined.
Looking for stats on that. Is it fact or internet fact?
Fact. & it's not even close. He's waaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead .
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:38 am
by unkbill
GORDON wrote:It's difficult to accidentally spend more money in 3 months than every other president before you, combined.
I'm not even close to conceding that it was all his fault. I think he inherited some of that headache.
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:46 am
by GORDON
He inherited spending moneyy?
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:17 am
by TPRJones
Well, he did get saddled with a Democratic congress.
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:23 pm
by Leisher
Well, he did get saddled with a Democratic congress.
As much as I think Obama is proving to be an incompetent moron, and truthfully, not even a good PR guy (he sucks without a teleprompter), I agree with TPR.
This Democratic congress might be the reason he doesn't win re-election. If Congress was Republican controlled, he wouldn't be spending this much, and could blame them for everything.
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:30 pm
by Malcolm
Time the hell out. Just cos the checks & balances between executive & legislative aren't working out doesn't absolve him of his more than dubious grasp of financial matters & a few other areas.
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:20 pm
by GORDON
Malcolm wrote:& a few other areas.
Race relations.
And he could have used a little executive experience. Any.
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:35 pm
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:Malcolm wrote:& a few other areas.
Race relations.
And he could have used a little executive experience. Any.
Eh. Depends. While it's always better to've than not to've, if I've got the feeling someone's essentially a fuckwit, then experience matters. Some fuckwits can be trained to the point of pseudocompetency, despite of their idiocy.
If I think someone's got the correct fundamental precepts, then I start caring fuck all about experience. The last prez that fit that description may've been Washington, though.
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:36 pm
by GORDON
I would say Jefferson knew his shit.
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:51 pm
by TPRJones
I wasn't offering absolution, just explanation.
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:16 am
by Vince
unkbill wrote:GORDON wrote:It's difficult to accidentally spend more money in 3 months than every other president before you, combined.
I'm not even close to conceding that it was all his fault. I think he inherited some of that headache.
I wouldn't say it's all his fault either, but even if you look at the spending Bush did in the last two years in office, Obama was part of the Senate that write those bills.
And what was TARP last fall? Something around $780 billion? Obama and McCain stopped campaigning to run back to DC and both put their big sloppy kisses on that pig.
So while Obama had plenty of help, he HAS increased spending at an alarming rate AND he has never in the history of ever been a champion of responsible budgets and spending.
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:08 pm
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:I would say Jefferson knew his shit.
He was the original "all corporations are inherently evil & are the bane of society" dude. Other than that, he's mostly alright.