2024 General Election Thread

[Leisher]

Anyway yeah, whatever, but the USA did not invent racism. In fact, in my travels and research, I'd submit that the USA is pretty tame on the global racism scale.

True fucking story.

[TheCatt]

Missouri Amendment 2. Legalizes sports betting.50.1% Yes · 99% reporting
Missouri Amendment 3. Creates a constitutional right to abortion. 51.6% Yes · 99% reporting
Missouri Amendment 5. Authorizes a casino near the Lake of the Ozarks. 52.4% No · 99% reporting
Missouri Proposition A. Raises the minimum wage and requires paid sick leave.57.6% Yes · 99% reporting

Missouri: We want gambling, abortion, higher minimum wage, and required paid sick leave.

We also voted for Donald Trump because other people don't deserve those things.

[GORDON]

As Ohio learned, even voting to amend the state constitution to allow abortion will not stop your representatives from trying to ban it nationally.

[TheCatt]

NC:
Dem Governor
Dem Lt Governor
Dem Attorney General
Dem Superintendent of Schools.

Also, Trump.

As Ohio learned, even voting to amend the state constitution to allow abortion will not stop your representatives from trying to ban it nationally.

All politics is weird.

[TheCatt]

This is why dumb people shouldn't vote.

[Cakedaddy]

Dumb or selfish? I want the price of my stuff to go up for you, but the price of your stuff to go down for me.

[TheCatt]

Dumb or selfish? I want the price of my stuff to go up for you, but the price of your stuff to go down for me.

I'm going with both.

There was a poll showing how people voted/leaned relative to their ability to pick "True/False" on 4 current topics (State of inflation, illegal immigration, stock market at all time highs, and one others I don't recall). And the D-R gap was 30 to 60 points on getting them right. The Rs have been fed lies, and believe them. Dumb.

[GORDON]

Maybe we have to stop letting those 6 guys buy ink by the barrel.

And stop allowing anonymity on social media.

Before it destroys the world.

This seems familiar somehow.

[GORDON]

Found this theory on Quora.

Why did Trump win?

1. You need a primary. Democrats must stop corronating candidates. It’s got a terrible track record for them. Your forge steel and candidates with heat and pressure, not by making them express lanes and having people fall in line. Ask yourself this: Would Democrats be in better or worse shape today had they let Sanders take the nomination in 2016? Sure, Sanders would have been destroyed, but I think that would have led to a stronger party.

2. This should spell the end of turnout strategy. If turnout was going to win an election, it was this one. It didn’t. Swing states still matter. The center still matters.

3. Trump doesn’t care about the moral high ground, but he will shell you into dust if you try to take it. “Garbage-gate” or whatever you want to call it is the perfect example of this. He took an unforced error by his own side and turned into into an unforced error by the other side. Trump has moments of political brilliance, and this was one of them.

4. Stop trying to turn Texas blue. Texas went to Trump R+14. That’s better than the Harris Margin in New York. Democrats need to worry a lot more about the actual swing states, and a lot less about dreams and aspirations of Reagan-eske blowouts. Let’s put it this way, a Republican that did five points better might have won New Jersey. Trump was within 10 points in 7 Democratic strongholds. Harris was within ten points in zero Republican ones. (Data per New York Times)

5. Abortion is a solid issue for Democrats. Democrats need more than one issue. And outside of Abortion, Democrats didn’t really run on any other issue. (Partly because most of the rest of them don’t poll well for Democratic positions, and this is what we call a clue).

6. It’s still the economy, stupid. Like it or not, most Americans pretty fondly remember 2016–2019 (and the understand that Covid was a black swan), and that has been better than the last couple of years of substantial inflation. And yeah, that’s the economy that matters a lot more than the stock market to a LOT of people.

7. Lawfare failed. Americans clearly don’t think that the convictions and other legal attacks on Trump hold water. Indeed, I’ll argue that many Americans see this as poor sportsmanship and in bad form.

8. America, at the end of the day, is a center-right nation. You need to run candidates who can capture that, and Harris, as a liberal politician from the Bay Area and the most liberal member of the senate wasn’t it.

9. Stop telling Americans that they are terrible. Stop telling women that their husbands and boyfriends are terrible. Stop telling Americans that they are racist/sexist/fascist/Nazi bigots. Like… I shouldn’t actually have to say this, but it seems I have to say this. And when your media allies say it, you need to tell them, in public, that they are wrong and do not share your values.

10. For many Americans, Trump is the representation of their frustration with the constant business as usual in DC. That’s why they will vote for him, that’s why they put up with his faults, that’s why he wins.

[Leisher]

Before I get into this, I seem to remember seeing some study years ago that showed if voters really voted based on what they want a lot of D voters would actually vote R and vice versa. (Side Note: Where's Thib? Should there be a comma after "want"?)

There was a poll showing how people voted/leaned relative to their ability to pick "True/False" on 4 current topics (State of inflation, illegal immigration, stock market at all time highs, and one others I don't recall). And the D-R gap was 30 to 60 points on getting them right.

Color me skeptical. I'd have to see the questions and how it was handled. As we all know, it's super easy to trip people up with wording to get the results you want or only interview specific people in specific areas. Both sides constantly try to portray the other as "lesser" and it's elitist, bigoted garbage.

Considering the new push by the left to ban "disinformation", which amazingly is only outlets not controlled by the left like X and Fox News, I'm even more skeptical of polls like this.

BTW, YouTube is filled with videos of D voters not being able to name continents, do simple math, say where they are, and so on.

The Rs have been fed lies, and believe them. Dumb.

You mean like: Trump-Russia collusion; Hunter wasn't getting payments from China and Ukraine; there's no MSM bias; Biden is the sharpest guy in the room; AOC's detainee camp visit; transwomen have no physical advantage over biological women; "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"; Kamala wasn't put in charge of the border; the government and social media weren't killing certain stories; 60 government agents signing an affidavit declaring the laptop story to be fake; "but her emails, lol"; Twitter was fair and balanced before Musk; J6 was a planned coup and dozens of officers died; Project 2025 is Trump's plan; Trump said "very fine people"; the vaccine prevents you from getting Covid; everything about CC math; Kamala's heavily edited 60 Minutes interview; Hillary beat Sanders fair and square in the primaries; Biden beat Sanders fair and square in the primaries; Trump threatened a bloodbath; Kamala's ever changing accent; Kamala growing up in a poor middle class family; all of Project Veritas' expose videos are lies; Trump said Liz Cheney should be shot; Melania Trump has been replaced by a body double; every promise made to minorities, particularly black people for the past 50 years (and all of the pandering that goes with it, like taking a knee for BLM); the Rs are Nazis and fascists; "if Trump wins this will be the last election"; Trump will ban abortions nationwide (granted we have to see if this one is true or not); everything posted by the Krassensteins(sp?), JoJo from Jersey, Brooklyn Defiant Dad, and all the other paid voices on X; all the TikTok influencers paid by Ds to push their party and positions, but who had to sign NDAs so it didn't appear they were paid to push their party and positions; Pelosi's J6 story; AOC's J6 story; etc.

I only stopped because I think you get the point. And make no mistake, we could do a list for R voters too.

All I'm saying is, if both sides are being fed lies, as it seems they are, maybe the voters aren't the issue.

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In other news, Biden's "stupidity and selfishness" lost the election for Kamala.

[GORDON]

"Is there a shift to the right in the US?"

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/07/nx-s1-51 ... on-results

No. The left just has no idea how far left they've gone. They're so close to seeing it... but not quite. They recognize there's something... just can't quite grok.

[TheCatt]

Fetterman getting spicy.

[GORDON]

And that's why I wrote in the hoodie even though I knew it was worse than pointless.

[Leisher]

Calling your voters dipshits is a rare Fetterman misstep.

[TheCatt]

Calling your voters dipshits is a rare Fetterman misstep.

Green voters are, indeed, dipshits.

[TheCatt]

Bad news for Harris: In October 2016 I had shoulder surgery, and Trump won.

Tomorrow I have hip surgery.

I called it weeks ago. Yall could have made a lot of money.

[GORDON]

Calling your voters dipshits is a rare Fetterman misstep.

Green voters are, indeed, dipshits.

Yeah it's pretty much not arguable. Evil dipshits, at that.

[Leisher]

Bad news for Harris: In October 2016 I had shoulder surgery, and Trump won.

Tomorrow I have hip surgery.

I called it weeks ago. Yall could have made a lot of money.

Need more than once to show a pattern though!

The thing that made me believe he was going to win is the first time he won. Hillary was way ahead in every poll and everyone thought it was just a matter of waiting for the results. The polls this time showing him ahead, or them in essentially a dead heat, told me he was winning.

I think the MSM have shot themselves and their D allies in the foot with the constant negative reporting of Trump, and by extension the Rs. Additionally, the constant public shaming of anyone that doesn't tow the company line has made a lot of people keep their views to themselves. Point being, nobody is being honest with pollsters anymore.

Hollywood even tried to warn them about this in the criminally underrated and underseen "Space Traders" (First story in the movie below. Highly recommend it as it's a thought provoking piece.). Robert Guillaume's character explains how people are going to respond differently when a live person is asking them a question (or in any way where they think they are being watched/tracked) versus being alone in the voting booth.

[TheCatt]

[Leisher]

Is this the poll you referenced earlier?

Full disclosure: I would have gotten 4/4, but one of those items I only knew because of you.

Anyway...

While you see it as R voters being dumb and fed lies, and I agree with "fed lies", can I suggest it actually reveals something else?