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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:17 pm
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:I'd like to say again that I absolutely, positively hope EA gets out of the PC game business.
I'd settle for their current crop of upper management resigning/quitting/getting replaced. & kill middle management, just for good measure.
Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:34 pm
by TheCatt
Leisher wrote:Maybe it's just my area or folks I know, but I've always known how to get pirated console games.
I also know the process is much easier than grabbing a PC game due to the hard drives (speaking in terms of knowledge and time only), that's what I'm basing my statement on. I'm not saying consoles games are stolen more often, I'm just saying they're as vulnerable.
Whether or not such vulnerability or options to pirate are marketed well has nothing to do with my point.
But I absolutely, positively agree that currently more PC games are being pirated.
I still think that the fact that you have to mod a console makes them less vulnerable.
Also, I'd take the higher % of pirating on PCs to indicate that they are more vulnerable.
But... whatever.
Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:02 pm
by Malcolm
Currently, it's easier to use pirated shyte on a PC. You have a rather large amount of control over your PC & its hardware. Consoles are more controlled. But they're ultimately retarded PCs, which means that it might take soldering & other low-level hacks, but you can crack 'em.
Walk into the computer/electronics club of any local college. One of the regulars'll be able to mod whatever the fuck you want. Or at least know someone who can.
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 4:53 pm
by GORDON
1. The Spore backlash has EA easing up on the DRM for Red Alert 3. No CD in the drive is needed to play, and 5 installs. Still bullshit, and I won't be buying it. I'm going to be installing Homeworld/Homeworld 2 again, soon. Good thing there's no DRM to stop me.
2. More peeps are speculating that EA is trying to kill the used game market with this DRM. Like I said a while back.
I wish I'd known Bioshock had DRM before I bought it.
From now on, if you review a game in this forum, state whether or not the game has DRM, and how it limits you.
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Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:04 pm
by WSGrundy
GORDON wrote:I wish I'd known Bioshock had DRM before I bought it.
At the time you bought it it did have it but as of now all DRM has been removed from Bioshock.
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:07 pm
by GORDON
WSGrundy wrote:GORDON wrote:I wish I'd known Bioshock had DRM before I bought it.
At the time you bought it it did have it but as of now all DRM has been removed from Bioshock.
In 10 years when I go to reload it for the 4th time, will it allow me to if their patch servers are unavailable to tell it to disable DRM? Serious question.
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:04 am
by WSGrundy
GORDON wrote:WSGrundy wrote:GORDON wrote:I wish I'd known Bioshock had DRM before I bought it.
At the time you bought it it did have it but as of now all DRM has been removed from Bioshock.
In 10 years when I go to reload it for the 4th time, will it allow me to if their patch servers are unavailable to tell it to disable DRM? Serious question.
Honestly I didn't read the article all the way through but I got the impression that they aren't keep tracking of number of installs and that the DRM has been removed.
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:35 pm
by WSGrundy
Spore may be the most pirated game of all time.
Crysis the best selling game of the year so far has been pirated less since its release in 2007 then Spore has since its release.
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:44 pm
by Malcolm
This logic is mind-boggling.
But in the face of this backlash, EA remains undeterred. "EA has not changed our basic DRM copy protection system," said corporate communications manager Mariam Sughayer to Forbes. "We simply changed the copy protection method from using the physical media, which requires authentication every time you play the game by requiring a disc in the drive, to one which uses a one-time online authentication." Sughayer also said that according to EA's data, less than 25 percent of users install their games more than once, and less than 1 percent attempt to install them more than three times.
The message is even if you pay for their product, if you're in a small enough minority, fuck you. You're buying the right to use their software.
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:56 pm
by GORDON
I read peeps talking about DLing Spore just on principle, just to send a message.
But I saw other peeps, on the same side of the argument, saying they don't even want to DL it, in order to send a message.
So I dunno.
I personally will not be purchasing nor DLing it. Same with RA3.
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:47 pm
by Leisher
I saw Spore at Best Buy today and thought "The wife would love this, too bad I won't buy it for her because of the DRM."
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:51 pm
by WSGrundy
Spore DRM is changing a little bit. They are going to release a patch which did the bioshock thing and let you get back a install credit if you uninstall the game. So you won't be able to have it installed on more then 3 machines at one time but you will be able to install it more then 3 times if you want or have to.
Still bullshit but funny to see them trying to change things since people are pissed off.
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:15 pm
by GORDON
Well, at least it stopped the pirates.
Oh wait, no it didn't. It is the used game market they are trying to kill.
Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:00 am
by TPRJones
WSGrundy wrote:Spore DRM is changing a little bit. They are going to release a patch which did the bioshock thing and let you get back a install credit if you uninstall the game.
If it doesn't write the patch to the physical disks as a permemant change (which of course it can't), then I don't trust them to keep it that way. They could change their mind again at any time. No thanks, I do not trust EA in the slightest.
When it drops to $20 I'll consider it. At that price the amount of entertainment I would expect to get from it for as long as they decide to let me play it will be worth it. But for $60 I expect to have a game I can play when and how I want to play it without asking permission first.
Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:28 pm
by GORDON
Peeps are starting to say "we" should be taking our complaints to the FTC. Don't know why I didn't think of that.
https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/
"Be sure to compare this to the Sony rootkit scandal, and mention that information on SecuROM does not appear in the Spore EULA, that SecuROM does not contain an uninstaller, and that its inclusion is not noted on the box."
The FTC's previous ruling against Sony can by found here:
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2007/01/sony.shtm
"Installations of secret software that create security risks are intrusive and unlawful," said FTC Chairman Deborah Platt Majoras. "Consumers' computers belong to them, and companies must adequately disclose unexpected limitations on the customary use of their products so consumers can make informed decisions regarding whether to purchase and install that content."
Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:57 pm
by Malcolm
May their foulness burn in hell, next to Sony.
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:46 pm
by WSGrundy
You can now have multiple accounts on one game instead of just one.
I don't understand why they keep backing down on things if it does such a good job and stopping pirates.
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:49 pm
by Cakedaddy
So what's the deal with spore? I thought it was an online game only. Month fees and all. So who cares if people steal it? You still have to pay to play, no?
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:29 am
by Leisher
I don't think it's monthly. I could be wrong though.
Anyone know?
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:00 am
by WSGrundy
Cakedaddy wrote:So what's the deal with spore? I thought it was an online game only. Month fees and all. So who cares if people steal it? You still have to pay to play, no?
No online and no monthly fees.
A friend got it so I stopped by and checked it out. What I played kicked some ass but it was much more of a casual game then I thought it would be coming from someone who made simcity.
The beginning stages were a lot of fun and since there was a group of us there we were all making suggestions and everyone was cracking up, but the middle stage where we stopped was pretty shallow and not very complex.
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