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I thought part of the problem with Springfield is the the manufacturing industry was literal dying because nobody wanted to do that type of work, not make $19 bucks doing hard labor when they could move to a big city and make more working at Starbucks? Or worse… they couldn’t stay off the drugs, a basic requirement to be a good employee?

We aren’t Nigeria or some other country with a high birth rate, either, the peak is in sight or or passed.

The population of the USA is growing by over a million per year, every year. According to the stats I found that may not even include illegals. In my opinion, we're already overcrowded. At 20k per state average, I hate that my state is above average for a year with that single influx alone.

I've been to Haiti. I still have a clipping from Newsweek of Haitians in 1994 threatening to summon voodoo zombies at me if I stepped foot on their island. It isn't at all like small town Ohio, and my dollar feels safe when I bet it on "there have been culture clashes, which probably included incidents with big, fat, overfed house pets."

There's some saying, "Travel is what destroys bias," or some such thing. I generally agree with that, in 1993 when I was 22, my bias was that people were the same around the world, and all cultures were equal and valid. But visiting Haiti disabused me of that bias, all people are not the same, and some cultures don't easily and seamlessly mix well with others.

Thus, hearing of pets getting eaten doesn't shock me, and people WHO ARE ACTUALLY THERE AND DIDNT SEE ANHYTHING aren't any kind of supreme authority, either. Two nights ago police all gathered 4 houses down at 5am, and I have no idea what was going on down there. So good thing there isn't a political issue in my town I can be quoted about.

It's claimed someone tracked down the quote and it's bogus, cool. But again, it still feels like the bigger issue is the feds dumping 20k immigrants on a town of 40k and saying good luck to all involved.

GORDON wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2024 8:04 am The population of the USA is growing by over a million per year, every year. According to the stats I found that may not even include illegals. In my opinion, we're already overcrowded. At 20k per state average, I hate that my state is above average for a year with that single influx alone.

I don't even know why I wrote more than that, I don't have strong feelings about legal immigrants moving in, aside from the question of whether or not the feds overloaded a local government. The rest of that discussion I blame on it being too early in the morning and my brain not recognizing "this isn't worth writing a book about." I mean it all, but it isn't like I'm trying to argue. Just personal observations. If they aren't eating pets then it is wrong to say they are.

Your personal experiences are worth sharing.

As far as I know every lead has been run down as false. The AA guy that was pictured holding a goose turned out to be in Columbus, and contacted the fish and wildlife state org because there were two geese hit by a car. I guess he ate them?? Don’t think he was a Haitian.

Is eating roadkill something that is common?

I only ask because this is the second time I’ve heard it this campaign cycle (rfk did it too), so maybe I’m just being a city boy.

There is a law in Ohio that if you hit a deer on the road, you are allowed to report it and keep it for butchering, if you choose. Hunting season/hunting license doesn't apply in that case. Fucking deer committed suicide so you can get some meat.

I've never personally heard of smaller roadkill being harvested, outside of humor.

Troy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2024 12:58 pm Your personal experiences are worth sharing.

Possibly the nicest thing anyone has said to me in a month. Isn't it great being a dude?

GORDON wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2024 1:27 pm

Troy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2024 12:58 pm Your personal experiences are worth sharing.

Possibly the nicest thing anyone has said to me in a month. Isn't it great being a dude?

I actually remembered you mentioning your time with the Marines in Hati forever ago when this issue come up.

You had referred to it once in UO smack, not directed at me. I thought "I bet Gordon has some thoughts on this"

I'm not sure if it was the first time I realized that not "all life is precious," and it is, in fact, quite cheap in some places. And not everyone is "good." Nor particularly intelligent. Like, "Hey, I'm a big shot Haitian cop, I'll shoot this US Navy medic/interpreter in front of this Marine squad (12-14 men, all with rifles, 3 of them with fully automatic machine guns) with my rusty handgun." That genius and his little crew lasted about 5 seconds after that.

And I learned that some people will fight to the death to keep their nothing.

And I learned they weren't actually able to send voodoo zombies after us, the liars.

So.... all that being said... the US government didn't pluck 20k people out of the ocean one day, and have them all in Ohio the next. These people must have been in some sort of receiving center for X amount of time. More than enough time for a particular element, used to abusing the weak, to form their unofficial government among the refugees. Then the entire group was dropped into Ohio, and I won't repeat what I think about the fairness or feasibility of that area to accept 20k refugees. I just know that in a town of 40k, 20k more, with their mafia fully formed, is enough to cause serious disruptions.

That's the situation I'd like to see addressed. Who in the Biden administration thought this was a good idea............. I have a very strong feeling the "eating pets" thing is nothing more than a distraction away from that question. And I wonder if Haitian refugees are more or less likely to vote Democrat, in the swing state of Ohio.

GORDON wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2024 8:26 pm I have a very strong feeling the "eating pets" thing is nothing more than a distraction away from that question.

Exactly. It gets people talking about that rather the real issues of why are these people here illegally, why are they in Springfield, why are we paying for their ridiculously generous free cash, and why are we trying to give them the right to vote?

Another Trump assassination attempt.

Leisher wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 5:37 pm Exactly. It gets people talking about that rather the real issues of why are these people here illegally, why are they in Springfield, why are we paying for their ridiculously generous free cash, and why are we trying to give them the right to vote?

Uh, you should really get more informed, like the majority are not in the country illegally, for one thing.

GORDON wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2024 8:26 pm I just know that in a town of 40k, 20k more, with their mafia fully formed, is enough to cause serious disruptions.

It's 12 to 15 thousand people, in a county of 60,000 people.

GORDON wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2024 8:26 pm That's the situation I'd like to see addressed. Who in the Biden administration thought this was a good idea............. I have a very strong feeling the "eating pets" thing is nothing more than a distraction away from that question. And I wonder if Haitian refugees are more or less likely to vote Democrat, in the swing state of Ohio.

This all started under Trump in 2017, and accelerated under Trump in 2020, when Haitians moved there for jobs. These people chose Ohio, they weren't settled there.

Yall need some facts instead of conspiracy theories.

Hey, I get all my information from the news. If they aren't telling the truth, I don't know what to

anyway

15k people were given a ticket to anywhere, and chose Springfield, Ohio? And a county population doesn't count. If they all moved into a town, it's a town.

GORDON wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 6:06 pm Hey, I get all my information from the news. If they aren't telling the truth, I don't know what to

X - Doubt. There's no way you can be this misinformed by "news"

GORDON wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 6:06 pm 15k people were given a ticket to anywhere, and chose Springfield, Ohio? And a county population doesn't count. If they all moved into a town, it's a town.

They moved into a county, jfc. Some of them live in the town, some DON'T, so I was trying to include them all. 12k-15k. If you limit it to the town, your numbers are even more wrong. And they weren't all given a ticket to live anywhere.

Rue went on to say that Springfield — a predominantly white, blue-collar city of about 60,000 — desperately needed help from the federal government in order to cope with its ongoing migrant crisis.

“We have been dealing with an infrastructure strain due to this immigration influx,” he said, referring to the roughly 20,000 Haitian migrants who have flooded into the city in just a few years.

“Any community in the United States that would receive 25 to 30 percent of their population in a short period of time is going to face infrastructure strain,” he continued.

“Our safety services are overwhelmed. Our hospitals are overwhelmed. Our school systems overwhelmed.”

https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/s ... -are-safe/

City, 20k, overwhelmed.

But this is the first I heard of them arriving over a few years.

In a Tuesday news conference, Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine acknowledged Springfield had recently received an “unprecedented” surge of around 15,000 Haitian immigrants, bringing a strain on healthcare providers, translators and rental availability. He did not repeat any claims about animal abductions or other behavior by migrants, but also did not denounce what other Republicans have said.

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/c ... ield-ohio/

Governor said 15k, in the city.

How do you choose which news you want to believe? That may help me discern better.

GORDON wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 6:21 pm How do you choose which news you want to believe? That may help me discern better.

I went to the sources from the city and county governments themselves.

I understand the concern about the gang's IN Hati, by all accounts they are absolutely insane, but I haven't heard any rumors of that in Ohio. I would have thought the MAGA sphere would be going crazy about it like those Venezuelans in Colorado.

It unfortunately seem like a LOT of the country is being extremely, extremely, racist to a bunch of tax paying, legal immigrants, who are working manufacturing... an industry we are trying to save

I keep seeing a new misinformation post every few hours, claiming THIS IS THE PROOF... and then it turns out to be something silly like a fucking LAMB BEING ROASTED ON A SPIT, or a CHICKEN ON A GRILL WITH ITS LEGS ON. Not even a Hatian in sight.

All being endorsed by JD Vance, and Trump. This is madness.

And someone just took another shot at Trump. I repeat, I do not want him harmed, and especially not martyred, but I think I said this before, If a rapper or any public figure talked as much mean shit about whole ethic groups, populations, cities, countries, you would not be surprised when they got clipped in a drive by. Hate begets hate... and violence.

More red on red.
e: maybe ex-red on red is more accurate. He voted for trump in 2016 and was publicly dissatisfied with him by 2020.

Troy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:09 pm e: maybe ex-red on red is more accurate. He voted for trump in 2016 and was publicly dissatisfied with him by 2020.

Maybe not even ex-red.

Routh also has ties to North Carolina, where public records show he registered as an “unaffiliated” voter without a party in 2012. He voted in that state’s Democratic primary in March of this year, according to public records.

From CNN.

The guy is not mentally stable in the slightest. I know, shocking.

Holy freudian slip @ 42.

NO WAY!

I am 99% sure I hear an N, not the "imm" I should be hearing.