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TheCatt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 4:42 pm I imagine Lincoln was kidding a bit, though.

Of course, but throughout this scandal and their run, reports have said coaches throughout the nation were furious that their season was allowed to play out.

I don't blame them. We, as a society, preach constantly about doing things the right way, yet this collective of human scum gets to cheat their way right to the top and now they're being rewarded for it. I'm infuriated as a fan. I cannot imagine how other coaches feel.

I'm seeing more and more articles of people giving their opinions that nothing much is going to happen to Michigan. That the championship and other wins won't be vacated. It's usually by someone complaining about it. So I don't know if they are basing the article on facts, or just being anti Michigan whiners. Are there any 'facts' out there regarding this?

I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope the championship is vacated. I do NOT want him to be able to claim that victory. And I hope he never wins the super bowl. If he wins both, and gets to keep them. Well. I don't want to say 'there is no God', because it is just football. But damn. There's be an argument for 'he doesn't care'!

I feel like at minimum:
Post season games are vacated.
Some regular season wins are vacated.
Many coaches are fired. Does Michigan actually have to fire them, or can the NCAA say 'they can't coach'?
A big fine. Big enough that scholarships are not affected.


What I want to happen. Championship is vacated. We pay a monster fine, buying us out of the rest of the punishments. I mean, I do still want to keep beating Ohio State.

Cakedaddy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:06 pm I'm seeing more and more articles of people giving their opinions that nothing much is going to happen to Michigan.

That's all just opinion and speculation. Nobody actually knows anything and won't for several months. Most of those articles are just clickbait and bullshit. Remember, every single breaking story out of the TTUN press was 100% wrong when the scandal broke and the months afterwards. Until you see it reported on ESPN, it's not real.

I don't think the NCAA can sweep this under the rug when most of the coaches in the NCAA are livid about it, US Integrity is involved, the FBI is involved, and so much evidence of blatant cheating and other rules violations have been made public. Plus, Harbaugh and TTUN openly mocking the NCAA and this being their 2nd violation in the same year, which alone is the "biggest violation".

What I'd genuinely like to see happen is as follows:
-Every single coach who knew gets a show cause for 10 years.
-Every win vacated for the past three years.
-Every player from those teams barred from being associated with the team for 10 years.
-Bowl ban for 5 years.

I don't need them to lose scholarships and punish incoming kids who had nothing to do with it.

Leisher wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:52 pm What I'd genuinely like to see happen is as follows:
-Every single coach who knew gets a show cause for 10 years.
-Every win vacated for the past three years.
-Every player from those teams barred from being associated with the team for 10 years.
-Bowl ban for 5 years.

Is this what you'd like to see happen, or is that what you feel they deserve?

It's what I'd like to see happen.

What I feel they deserve would be far more punishing.

The NCAA had better do something significant because every program in the country is watching. You let them off with a slap on the wrist and that type of cheating will immediately become the standard. I think because of their success they need to be hammered even harder or the message will be that crime does pay.

Connor Stalions' BFF heads to the NFL.

Sounds like OSU is going to lose their new OC Bill O'Brien. The BC HC job is open and he's apparently going to take it.

No ill will to him or from him. The biggest factor here is that he has a kid with very special medical needs, and the nation's top doctor for it happens to be in Boston. The kid has been seeing him as BoB worked for the Pats.

Good luck to him.

Hey Catt, where's Bienamy?

Leisher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 1:09 pm Hey Catt, where's Bienamy?

Uh, still awkwardly under contract. Soo.... maybe?

I'd love him or Chip to come to OSU.

Michigan Wolverines: A nightmare season for the Wolverines might have hit rock bottom Saturday. They led Rutgers -- which was 2-7 in Big Ten play entering the day -- by 15 with 17 minutes left in the game. Michigan would be outscored by 25 the rest of the game, getting just two points in the final 7:15 and losing at home by 10. The Wolverines have now lost 10 of their past 11 games.

What... happened to UofM?

TheCatt wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 6:40 pm

Michigan Wolverines: A nightmare season for the Wolverines might have hit rock bottom Saturday. They led Rutgers -- which was 2-7 in Big Ten play entering the day -- by 15 with 17 minutes left in the game. Michigan would be outscored by 25 the rest of the game, getting just two points in the final 7:15 and losing at home by 10. The Wolverines have now lost 10 of their past 11 games.

What... happened to UofM?

OSU and TCUN are trying to become the worst men's bball team in the B1G.

Rick Pitino wants a salary cap in college bball.

How the hell do you create that? How do you compare the finances of OSU and San Jose State?

Would a fair number stretch SJS' budget, while severely limiting OSU's?

Wouldn't a salary cap immediately bring cheating back into the picture?

Leisher wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:01 pm Would a fair number stretch SJS' budget, while severely limiting OSU's?

Afraid of a little competition? You mad you can't just buy the championship?

I didn't read the article, so don't know the full details/context. But how far off is my question? Why does OSU NEED the big budget?

At the end of the day, the players should get whatever the market will give them.

Though, the AFL/NFL merger was at least partly driven by the fact that the salaries they were giving out to try and be competitive we causing every team to lose money.

So the cap is per player, not per team?

Cakedaddy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 4:41 pm Afraid of a little competition? You mad you can't just buy the championship?

The fuck are you going on about? I'm, literally, painting how it has to affect both universities to be "fair".

Generally speaking, salary caps are so poor teams can compete with rich teams. Wouldn't 'fair' be both teams being allowed to spend the same amount? Thus, one team not being able to 'buy the championship'.

I don't think what I wrote was clear. I was implying that because of the gap in finances how do you make it fair? SJST can't afford nearly as much as an OSU. Meanwhile, OSU would have tons of money sitting being undistributed.

That brings in Catt's point about money not reaching players who earned it.

I believe the NFL handles it with revenue sharing and a minimum and maximum spend.

Perhaps the answer is in revenue sharing? All schools pay into a fund that is given out equally so that all are spending the same amount of money and none is left out of the players' hands.

No. The answer is that a cap is a stupid idea. Caps work for professional sports because of reasons. They won't work for college sports because not all schools are equal. Some are really big, others are not.

If the crappy colleges want their turn to win the big game, they just need to get better.

I just wanted to say that OSU has to buy their championships.