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Well, the NCAA has been investigating for a while, no idea how long. But sure sounded like they had a lot of receipts before word got out.

FYI, the B1G, who has been very active dealing with this scandal, is allowed to act even before the NCAA.

The info leaker doesn't bode well for Harbaugh's tenure:

SI releases a piece on Stalions.

TLDR: He's possibly the next Hitler.

What a fucking weirdo. Harbaugh should be fired for allowing this guy on the sidelines, let alone hiring him.

Jim Harbaugh 2-5 against OSU.

Jim Harbaugh 0-7 against OSU.

That WaPo article has additional details about who reported it, how that came about, and how everyone at TTUN was involved.

TTUN can never claim the moral high ground again.

If you couldn't read the WaPo one, this article takes the biggest elements from it, which is new information and not just a rehash of stuff from the rest of the week: Linky.

Most TTUN fans on Twitter have stopped denying and have moved onto blame (Claiming Ryan Day a puppet master behind this all...even hiring a former fed to hack their computers and whatnot. I'm not making that up.) or attacking the process of evidence collection instead of questioning the actual evidence (apparently law school defense 101).

There's now a report that TTUN might have actually offered help to another school facing a potential CFP rival. No word on who either team was.

Also reports that sportsbooks were considering pulling TTUN lines.

I genuinely don't think there's ever been a bigger scandal in my life time in college sports?

And in other college sports news...

Leisher wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 11:28 pm I genuinely don't think there's ever been a bigger scandal in my life time in college sports?

In your lifetime? Has to be SMU.

Leisher wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 12:08 am And in other college sports news...

That would be sad.

I think the Sandusky stuff at Penn state is worse. That's not defending Michigan. I just think molesting children is pretty bad!

I don't know enough about other scandals to have an opinion.

I fully expect the last two years to be wiped from the record, and I'm ok with that.

Our only chance at "moral high ground" redemption is to come down HARD on all of this. But we won't. Will deny, deny, deny.

It sucks being no better than anyone else. It sure was a good feeling! I'll miss it.

Cakedaddy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:04 am I think the Sandusky stuff at Penn state is worse. That's not defending Michigan. I just think molesting children is pretty bad!

Then do we include the MSU molestation stuff? Cuz it's hard to be worse than that.

TheCatt wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:06 am

Cakedaddy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:04 am I think the Sandusky stuff at Penn state is worse. That's not defending Michigan. I just think molesting children is pretty bad!

Then do we include the MSU molestation stuff? Cuz it's hard to be worse than that.

I'd keep it to strictly on the field scandals. So paying players, spying on teams, using illegal equipment, etc.

Any sexual stuff happening in the locker rooms and whatnot are a different type of scandal.

SMU paying players
Tulane point shaving

I would say are bigger. The fsu and UNC scandals, maybe. But, of course, the ncaa held UNC blameless, so just fsu

To be fair, I think allowing the SEC to cheat openly for years because ESPN was in bed with them and they had high up people in the NCAA is probably the biggest scandal ever.

The SMU one I barely remember. The U was probably paying players more than SMU, but that was never really investigated.

Smu got the death penalty. Tulanes basketball program. Was self-given the death penalty.

Michigan should follow that example

I would include MSU sex stuff too. Thought about it after I hit submit but didn't feel like editing.

Didn't UNLV do something major as well? I think basketball related.

Self inflicted death penalty is my vote.

Only way to salvage moral high ground is to say something like:
We fucked up. We got complacent and people were allowed to do shit they weren't supposed to. They are all gone now. ALL of them. We concede all victories for the last two seasons. We give OSU the win they would have gotten in 2020. We are sorry. We learned a lot from this and will not let it happen again.
Thank you, and God bless.


But we'll get something like:
It was this one guy. He didn't help at all. No one really liked him. You're crazy if you think anything else. Anyone want a cheeseburger?