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Troy wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 5:57 pm Your first sentence isn't my point. This one is.
It felt like you were arguing individual points that Leisher listed.

And ya. We forget the bad stuff cause humans want to have been happy, or something.


Also, quit saying
Troy wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 4:37 pm. . .if nobody cares . . .
Because I do!
But people only want to remember what the other team did, or justify what their team did, with something the other team did that was 'worse'.

It just occurred to me, that the country is embroiled in a League of Legends game, of sorts. As long as you can find someone doing worse than you are, you are doing awesome.
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Also, with Harris, I feel like it's not an automatic loss for the Dems now. But damn, it's like they are trying to see how close they can get to losing, without actually losing. But with that as your plan, you still might lose.

On the other hand, if she does win. . . Hillary's gonna be like "FUCKING Fuck stick Fuck face cock sucking fucking fuckers" or something equally incoherent.
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GORDON wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 3:08 pm Biden forgave the student loan debt, which if nothing else was finally irresponsible government spending for actual people, and not a corporation, again. So I will give Biden props for that.
Illegally, so...
Troy wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 3:58 pm Come... on. No way. Not wasting my time.
As Cake said, all my points are valid. I posted zero lies. Respectfully, you want to bury your head in the sand and look back fondly on four years that most Americans have hated so much they're willing to give Trump another shot, that's on you.
Troy wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 4:11 pm Nobody is going to care about those pictures of Hunter Biden's penis, except for Fox News, and maybe Leisher?
Yep, that's the concern about Hunter. His dick pics. It has nothing to do with the no show, high paying jobs he's unqualified to have or the payments to him and some dude named "the Big Guy" by a foreign power. It's the blow, hookers, and dick pics.
Troy wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 4:31 pm Who is blaming Biden for housing prices??
A lot of people. That's what happens when you're in charge. His fault or not and I'm aware a lot of it isn't his fault, but he gets the blame. This is especially true when you're touting "Bidenomics" as making everyone's lives better, while not realizing inflation was making most Americans struggle and nobody could buy a house anymore.
Cakedaddy wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 5:44 pm None of them (politicians) are any good, and it would be nice if we could stop pretending like any of them are.
Exactly. Let's not think back fondly on the racist, incestuous pedo whose whole family was for sale.
Troy wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 4:37 pm All I'm saying is that if nobody cares Jared K's family company effectively got $2 Billion dollars for nothing from the Saudis while serving IN the government, nobody is going to care that Hunter Biden caught a gun charge, did some blow, and fucked a bunch of hookers, while being a private citizen.
I care about Jared K's money. But it seems most people are willing to pretend the blatant corruption by our masters isn't important so long as "their side" wins elections.
Troy wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 5:57 pm People even look fondly on Bush 2, these days, and he started a full kinetic ground war in the ME. Over some bullshit.

Clinton got a BJ in the oval office.

Obama drone struck more Americans than anyone.

All of them are thought of generally fondly now-a-days.
Again, the average IQ in the U.S. is 99.
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Cakedaddy wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 6:27 pm But people only want to remember what the other team did, or justify what their team did, with something the other team did that was 'worse'.
Fucking amen.

BOTH PARTIES SUCK!!!!!
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Calling the sitting president a "Pedo" because of some conspiracy theory bullshit you read on Fox News (or worse) is just outrageous. I'm done.
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Troy wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 6:43 pm Calling the sitting president a "Pedo" because of some conspiracy theory bullshit you read on Fox News (or worse) is just outrageous. I'm done.
Humor me.

Ashley Biden's diary is 100% true. Ask left leaning Snopes. BTW, this used to be rated "Unproven" until it was revealed in court to be real.

So, taking "pedo" off the table, is there a different word you call an older man who showers with his 13 year old daughter often enough that she has to go out of her way to avoid it?

Again respectfully, while you lob the cliché "Faux News" insult at me, perhaps look at your own news sources and question why you didn't know her diary was real or why you think Hunter's dick pics are "the story" about his laptop.

Not for nothing, but my favorite politician is Fetterman, my primary news source is CNN, the last R presidential candidate I voted for was W, and I routinely slam both parties. If I'm a far right conspiracy theorist, how far left are you?
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Secret Service director rightly steps down.

Hell, the assassination attempt aside, her testimony before Congress was one of the worst I've ever seen. She clearly should never have been put in that role.
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Leisher wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 10:44 am
Troy wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 6:43 pm Calling the sitting president a "Pedo" because of some conspiracy theory bullshit you read on Fox News (or worse) is just outrageous. I'm done.
Humor me.

Ashley Biden's diary is 100% true. Ask left leaning Snopes. BTW, this used to be rated "Unproven" until it was revealed in court to be real.

So, taking "pedo" off the table, is there a different word you call an older man who showers with his 13 year old daughter often enough that she has to go out of her way to avoid it?

Again respectfully, while you lob the cliché "Faux News" insult at me, perhaps look at your own news sources and question why you didn't know her diary was real or why you think Hunter's dick pics are "the story" about his laptop.

Not for nothing, but my favorite politician is Fetterman, my primary news source is CNN, the last R presidential candidate I voted for was W, and I routinely slam both parties. If I'm a far right conspiracy theorist, how far left are you?
Sorry, no.

Ashley Biden:
Repeatedly, I hear others grossly misinterpret my once-private writings and lob false accusations that defame my character and those of the people I love.
Just believe whatever you want. You believe Project Veritas, cool. I'll believe the writer of the diary.
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Technically I think once they're in puberty the adult is... Something like hebophnia or something.

I thought the diary was verified. I don't follow anything.

And it isn't like the dude didn't have a reputation for fondling young girls YEARS before he became president.
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The conspiracy theory is that Biden is a pedo. Full stop.

I may not need to tell you why a PTSD journal is not the perfect evidence you think it is, but just take it from what she said personally wrote. It was a PTSD journal to heal, she was listing things that had possibly hypersexualized her as a child - let her to have extreme sexual desires as an adult. Towards the end of a long list of sex she had at a young age that she described in traumatic detail, she says she took a shower with her dad (at an unclear age - and even at the end of that serious list it was only "probably inappropriate".)

If you have something else: Pictures with Epstein, statement by accused persons claiming he raped her, court's holding him liable for sexual assault, accounts of teen beauty pageants he walked into, I'm all ears.

Otherwise you are just fitting to a narrative.
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Troy wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 12:06 pm Just believe whatever you want. You believe Project Veritas, cool.
First, Project Veritas only bought the diary. They never actually published it nor did they share an opinion on it that I'm aware of, so I'm not sure what you think I'm believing them on?

Second, if you think your preferred news source is giving you 100% truth, I've got a bridge to sell you.

And I'm not saying there's a vast conspiracy, although I can assure you there are some of those because I've been not only witnessed them, but I've been a part of at least one. However, people's personal biases showing up in reporting and the inability to report facts for fear of losing access are real things. That last part is about news organizations squashing damning stories as a "favor" to whomever is in power. Not doing that "favor" could mean losing all access to that person/administration/etc. (Look at the last several administrations and their WH briefings to see how that works.) I worked in the MSM, I saw all of this shit first hand.

I tend to agree with you in believing the person who was there. However, Ashley's statement gives me pause for three reasons:
1. It's too vague a statement. It does not address the biggest takeaway, and that's kind of a big deal. It's, literally, the only reason anyone gives a shit about her diary, yet there's no direct denial?
2. It came far, far too late in the cycle. PR 101 says you get in front of a story. Playing the diary off as a fake until you had to testify it was real in court was an interesting choice.
3. Hunter apparently also has certain sexual tastes. I point this out for two reasons: 1. Maybe he was molested? 2. Maybe Hunter is the molester?

#3 is the "out" for Joe, because even if Ashley's vague statement is 100% true, something still fucking happened that she's addressing. This issue is a particularly big trigger for me. Guess why.

Anyway, say Joe wasn't the molester, that makes him simply a racist and corrupt asshole who got American servicemen killed via his incompetence and failed to do the most basic task of his job, which is protect the border. I'm not remembering him fondly.
Troy wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 12:30 pm Pictures with Epstein
Sadly, doesn't mean shit. History is filled with innocent people appearing in pictures with rapists, child molesters, serial killers, etc. I wish it was that easy so we could kill them lock them all up, but have you looked at those websites with sex offenders in your neighborhood? They're like chicken pox. The odds are highly likely that you know somebody who you would eject from your life if you knew what they got up to in their private time. Doesn't mean you're guilty of the same.
Troy wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 12:30 pm statement by accused persons claiming he raped her,
If you're a D, they have no credibility. I don't see Tara Reade's name on that list either?

The number of them who talk about the hair sniffing and the compilation videos of Biden sniffing girls' hair as VP and president is rather disturbing, but to be fair, not a smoking gun.

Although, there IS smoke...
Troy wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 12:30 pm Otherwise you are just fitting to a narrative.
Let's be honest here, both sides push their narratives and everyone falls prey to them at one time or another. I could list several Trump related scandals or Biden related scandals. As you noted about the front page, Obama had his own scandals, ditto for W and the Clintons. Good things will come no matter who wins, as will bad things. Neither party gives two shits about you, just your vote. They lock that vote up with bribes, empty promises and excuses for their scandals. ("No really, this time we'll actually codify Row vs Wade. We've only not done that the prior 50 years because, uh, Rs..." - My far left wife's current favorite talking point about why she won't vote for a D president. She's also not voting Trump.) Meanwhile, they push really hard on the other side's scandals. They ALL suck.

On that note, I am off for the day so you can continue telling me that I'm "literally Hitler" tomorrow :D . I've really got to get this Crowdstrike report done and I've been pulled away to multiple other things all day, and responded to you, which is more interesting to me than writing a report for a board that won't listen anyway.
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Leisher wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 3:11 pm 3. Hunter apparently also has certain sexual tastes. I point this out for two reasons: 1. Maybe he was molested? 2. Maybe Hunter is the molester?
Endlessly fitting the facts to the narrative.

It was a private diary she poured her heart out into as part of PTSD therapy. With no expectation of anyone reading it, ever. No reason to not list any possible reason.

You are the one adding Hunter Biden to the diary.

Doing this endlessly is how you end up shooting up a Pizza place claiming there are children in the basement.
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Leisher wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 3:11 pm
Sadly, doesn't mean shit. History is filled with innocent people appearing in pictures with rapists, child molesters, serial killers, etc. I wish it was that easy so we could kill them lock them all up, but have you looked at those websites with sex offenders in your neighborhood? They're like chicken pox. The odds are highly likely that you know somebody who you would eject from your life if you knew what they got up to in their private time. Doesn't mean you're guilty of the same.
“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York magazine in 2002, before there were any public allegations of wrongdoing against multimillionaire money manager. “He’s a lot of fun to be with," Trump said then. "It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."

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Too bad UnoBill no longer posts here. He was also super liberal and took things to heart.
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I was unaware it took being a liberal to brand anyone associated with Jefferey Epstein, from Clinton, to Bill Gates, to Trump, a piece of shit.

I'll wear that badge proudly!!!
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Ok, dog. We still love you even though you're the only sane one among us who can see the truth. :)
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I mean, you just said I was super liberal? Not even sure what that has to do with anything?

I'm not even that. It's extremely relative. I'm a centrist in NC, a conservative in CA, and a liberal for sure in Alabama.
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I would assume from the things you've said, everyone here considers you super liberal. If they disagree I would retract the statement and admit to being wrong.

And I can prove I love you in a way these other yahoos can't.
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Actually, I'll retract the statement anyway, and apologize, if.it bothered you, because that's what friends do. I intended no offense, we are where we are on the political spectrum and I think all y'all are sick if you participate. :-D

I'm just saying that the angry defense of Biden came off a certain way. But nbd.
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Sorry for my delay, I've been buried the last two days.
Troy wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 3:32 pm Endlessly fitting the facts to the narrative.
Endlessly explaining away or ignoring facts to fit the narrative.
Troy wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 3:43 pm
Leisher wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 3:11 pm
Sadly, doesn't mean shit. History is filled with innocent people appearing in pictures with rapists, child molesters, serial killers, etc. I wish it was that easy so we could kill them lock them all up, but have you looked at those websites with sex offenders in your neighborhood? They're like chicken pox. The odds are highly likely that you know somebody who you would eject from your life if you knew what they got up to in their private time. Doesn't mean you're guilty of the same.
“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York magazine in 2002, before there were any public allegations of wrongdoing against multimillionaire money manager. “He’s a lot of fun to be with," Trump said then. "It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."

lol
Why does circumstantial evidence fit your narrative, but is cause to dismiss mine? :D
Troy wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 3:32 pm It was a private diary she poured her heart out into as part of PTSD therapy. With no expectation of anyone reading it, ever. No reason to not list any possible reason.
Of course, but it doesn't outright negate the content.

Again, go back and look at your previous statement about Trump, Gates, and Clinton. You're doing the exact same thing you're telling me not to do. You're taking information and making educated assumptions. Trump had a photo with Epstein and knew him, but so did a lot of people. Trump had the quote about him, but it doesn't mean children. Many people date younger women and men. Trump also banned him from everything the second word got out about him. Does that count for nothing at all?

You can take it as one of two things: 1) He wanted to distance himself so people didn't know about his own crimes OR 2) He was disgusted to find out Epstein was a pedo and pimp and immediately cut him out of his life. One's biases will naturally lean them towards one of those conclusions...

Meanwhile, Clinton flew on the plane a LOT and we knew about his appetite, but does that mean he's for certain guilty of being a pedo? No. (And why is it ok to call a former president a pedo, but not a sitting one? - Asking for a friend.) Gates, imho, we have the strongest case against. His wife left him because of his association with Epstein. Still not technically a smoking gun (although it's as close as it gets), but I wouldn't let him babysit.

And I'm not saying you're wrong about any of them, just pointing out you're doing what you're saying I shouldn't do.
Troy wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 3:32 pm You are the one adding Hunter Biden to the diary.
I didn't add him to the diary. I speculated on his possible involvement one way or the other based on both the diary and what we know about him thanks to the "Russian misinformation" laptop. She states her and her cousin were molested. She states that she believes dad took inappropriate showers with her.

You said it wasn't Joe, so I asked myself, "Say Troy is right, and Joe didn't molest her. Who did?" That's why I gave Joe the out and speculated that perhaps it could have been Hunter because there's smoke in his direction. Although, didn't Hunter also make the statement that he was molested? For some reason that rings a bell, but I've no idea if it's true or not.
GORDON wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 7:57 pm everyone here considers you super liberal
That has always been my assumption.
GORDON wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 11:24 am apologize, if.it bothered you

GORDON wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 11:24 am I'm just saying that the angry defense of Biden came off a certain way.
Agree.

I never say anything to get under anyone's skin, aside from that one time I told Malcolm to stop being a dick. I don't think anyone does? Catt's the closest with his intentional troll jobs, but they're not malicious.

I have no delusion about changing someone's mind via the internet, despite having done so here and there, and having the same done to me.

I just enjoy the debates and mean nobody here any harm. That's why I always add the smileys.
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