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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:31 pm
by TPRJones
I didn't even hint that it wasn't. That's exactly why many of them are voting Democrat.
But it's not because they are greedily slurping up free candy, and to characterize it so is no better than the way they sneer at Republicans. They really do think it is best for the country. They're just too stupid to realize that someone has to pay the tab, and stealing it from the rich is no real answer.
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:33 pm
by GORDON
So, I am correct, you just think I attribute it incorrectly?
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:41 pm
by TheCatt
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:07 pm
by TPRJones
GORDON wrote:So, I am correct, you just think I attribute it incorrectly?
Exactly. You seem to be attributing it to malice. Just like Democrats have been doing to Republicans of late. That's the part I find unlikely.
Sure there are going to be some that are just greedy. But the vast majority are very likely to be quite earnest in their mistake.
EDITed to add: Yes, I know, that's exactly what they've been doing to you. But you're supposed to be better than that.
From the article Catt linked:Republicans truly are the party of a less intrusive ruling class.
Bullshit. That all died over 20 years ago. Republicans are just as eager to tell everyone how to live, they just want to do it in the bedrooms and churches and etc. Used to be you could at least say they didn't want to spend so much on government, but that's not true anymore either of most of the political leadership in Congress. This guy thinks he's working with the Libertarians or something.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:30 pm
by TheCatt
It was a woman.
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:36 pm
by Malcolm
TheCatt wrote:It was a woman.
While that setup has so many potential finishes, I'll take the high road and go with, "fuckin' pipe dreams."
Until the Republican leadership changes or a splinter party snaps off (with new leadership), the current old white dumbass honkies in charge are going to ride this Titanic all the way to the iceberg. They aren't stopping until they hit the ocean floor or they just, in a poetic fashion, die off like their old commie rivals started doing a couple decades ago, clinging to outmoded ideals like leaden life preservers.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:56 pm
by GORDON
TPRJones wrote:GORDON wrote:So, I am correct, you just think I attribute it incorrectly?
Exactly. You seem to be attributing it to malice. Just like Democrats have been doing to Republicans of late. That's the part I find unlikely.
You're telling me that 95% of black people, and 70%(?) of Mexicans vote democrat because of love of country and wanting to make it a better place?
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:08 pm
by TPRJones
Most of them, yes. They've been told all their lives that government can make everything better. That makes them wrong, not greedy.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:10 pm
by GORDON
I see.
Not sure if I agree with that in this "Free Obama-phones!" culture.
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:26 pm
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:You're telling me that 95% of black people, and 70%(?) of Mexicans vote democrat because of love of country and wanting to make it a better place?
People do not knowingly vote to make it shittier where they live.
EDIT: Required reading for G, or anyone else who wants to lie effectively.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:44 pm
by GORDON
Well like I said before: "Free Candy" is not a viable economic model.
I'm saying it doesn't matter any more, we have reached a tipping point and "free candy" is always going to win from now on.
TPR is agreeing with me but still saying I am wrong because I believe it for the wrong reason.
I think that about summarizes the conversation thus far.
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:56 pm
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:I'm saying it doesn't matter any more, we have reached a tipping point and "free candy" is always going to win from now on.
Without a big jolt from something, be it internal or external, it usually does and has since the dawn of caveman government. They just used to give the candy to the dudes with the biggest castles or the biggest armies or the king's brother or some shit. One of those books I linked to dissects this phenomenon.
Jolts used to be way more prevalent and frequent.
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:59 pm
by GORDON
Malcolm wrote:GORDON wrote:I'm saying it doesn't matter any more, we have reached a tipping point and "free candy" is always going to win from now on.
Without a big jolt from something, be it internal or external, it usually does and has since the dawn of caveman government. They just used to give the candy to the dudes with the biggest castles or the biggest armies or the king's brother or some shit. One of those books I linked to dissects this phenomenon.
Jolts used to be way more prevalent and frequent.
And thus, my "if you can't beat them, join them" turn, and my embrace of every liberal policy, even though I believe it will cause a lot more problems... because the quicker everything burns, the sooner we can start getting back to something stable and viable.
When a tree falls on a house, sometimes the only thing you can do is bulldoze it all and build it over again. I think the tree has fallen on the house.
edit - And hey... maybe I am wrong, and liberal policies will bring about an age of plenty, for all. But one thing is for sure... no use wasting energy trying to stop it.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:17 pm
by Malcolm
Wasting energy never helps. Utilizing it in new, creative, clever, effective ways might.
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:17 pm
by GORDON
Malcolm wrote:Wasting energy never helps. Utilizing it in new, creative, clever, effective ways might.
Sure. If someone comes up with something better, I am all ears.
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:21 pm
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:Malcolm wrote:Wasting energy never helps. Utilizing it in new, creative, clever, effective ways might.
Sure. If someone comes up with something better, I am all ears.
How about getting the sane elephants to split off from the rest of the diseased herd? Or better yet, get them to exile the senile senior class along with their psycho supporters. They might become something beyond a joke. Hell, they'll probably need a name change at any rate.
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:23 pm
by GORDON
This guy agrees with me. I get to be smug since I was saying it about 5 days ago.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news....elected
There is a rational explanation for the President’s reelection which doesn’t invoke a deep or complex meaning. The only way to explain the outcome is in the simplest and direct prose: the moochers prevailed.
Obama’s winning tactic was to do what any respectable man does when he wishes to have something; he bought it. From cell phones and contraceptives to food stamps and unemployment benefits, the Obama administration kept the money flowing to ensure a steady turnout on Election Day. The coup de grâce was painting his opponent as a second coming of Dickens’ Scrooge that was ready to cut the voters from their trust funds.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:57 pm
by TPRJones
There's where I disagree. Very few of those voting for the free candy likely did so because they wanted free candy. They did it because their friends and neighbors need help, and good old Uncle Sam should help them. Nevermind that they themselves are also getting free candy, for most of them that doesn't enter into it.
The effect is the same, but to ascribe them with personal greed as a motivation is likely to be wrong in most cases. It's like someone saying Republicans want to lower taxes and have less government because they are greedy and hate poor people.
Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:04 pm
by Cakedaddy
I think there is a HUGE number of people voting for free candy because they are getting free candy. A HUGE number. Very few is an insanely small estimate. Then there are the people voting for the black guy.
As long as the liberals are allowed to buy the vote of the poor with rich people's money, they will win.
Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:20 pm
by Malcolm
"If I vote for this, I get free shit, and most of the people I know do, too. I like getting free shit, so does everybody else I know."
It's the double whammey of "I suck and mostly everyone else I know does, too."