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Heh. Can't get much more centrist than me, ya fuckin hippies.
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GORDON wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 4:53 pm Heh. Can't get much more centrist than me, ya fuckin hippies.
Lol. that's almost impressively centrist. I would if a centrist could win the presidency. I doubt it. (3rd party style)
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Looking at where they have Kamala on that graph, I wondered when she shifted so far back to the center? Oh right...in the words of Bernie Sanders, "She'll say what she has to say to get elected."

I ended up 59% Trump and 40% Kamala, and I should have gotten more Kamala points on the immigration question, but I purposely answered in the worst way because they had no actual questions about ILLEGAL immigration. Considering that's the biggest issue about immigration and Kamala was in charge during the largest influx of illegals in our history, seems relevant.

I like those "tests" as a guide, but I think they're ultimately horseshit. First, they're assigning the candidates positions that they may not agree with politically. (You can believe something, but not pass laws based on said beliefs.) Second, some issues are too complex to be addressed in this manner.

For example:
-Should we drop out of the Paris Accord? Yes! But...NOT because we want the world to burn. No, because we shouldn't be footing the bill for everyone else AND China needs to be stripped of their developing country status and be held accountable for their actions.
-Should we limit the number of legal immigrants? NO! Why the hell should we punish people doing things the legal way? However, that "legal path" should not include a certain political party mass gifting citizenship to randoms just so they can win more elections.
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I said stay in Paris, and limit legal immigration.
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TheCatt wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:35 am I said stay in Paris, and limit legal immigration.
Paris was a bad deal for the U.S.

Like I said, if they remove the U.S. bankrolling a lot of it for other countries and remove China's developing nation status, let's get back in.

But, let's be honest, if you want to address Climate Change (and even if you think it's 1M% hogwash, why not just keep the planet nice?) the focus needs to be removed from citizens and put squarely on corporations. They pollute far, far more than citizens, and are ultimately responsible for the majority of the citizens' waste and pollution.

Stop telling me that I'm killing the world using plastic bags, plastic straws, one use containers, buying new things all the time, etc. You're the ones making that shit. Go back to glass bottles, paper bags, metal parts in equipment, stop releasing new phones every year, and so on and so forth.

But this is a discussion for another forum :D
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Because environmentalists are full of shit.
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Guess I should vote for Trump after all, give my kids the debt.
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"Fair share" never means anything, though, when you're being factual.
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GORDON wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:44 pm "Fair share" never means anything, though, when you're being factual.
I wasn't posting for the commentary, just the graph.
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Yeah but when it's presented with "fair share," the person is selling something. So I stop trusting their data.
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GORDON wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:57 pm Yeah but when it's presented with "fair share," the person is selling something. So I stop trusting their data.
The data is in the same ballpark as when I looked at their proposals a while ago.
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I'm skeptical as well. Hell, ALWAYS skeptical of claims people make because they're usually selling something or pushing an agenda.

However, I've been looking for the silver lining of a Kamala victory, and this will do. (Already stated my Trump one will be dealing with the illegals.)
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TheCatt wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:00 pm
GORDON wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:57 pm Yeah but when it's presented with "fair share," the person is selling something. So I stop trusting their data.
The data is in the same ballpark as when I looked at their proposals a while ago.
So he should report the data without the appeal to "fairness."
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GORDON wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:55 pm So he should report the data without the appeal to "fairness."
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My perfect centrism immediately rejects that person's fear mongering, no matter how accurate his facts.
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Is the suggestion that people who've had concussions should not be allowed to vote?

I guess I'm ok with that as long as why they are voting for doesn't factor into it.

Then we can look at denying people with low IQs from voting, since we're greasing the slope.
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I think just saying brain damaged people vote for Trump.
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TheCatt wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2024 12:08 pm I think just saying brain damaged people vote for Trump.
Yeah, I got the funny joke, ha ha.

But there's a deeper, hidden, insidious bias in there. It's not good when it becomes conventional wisdom that your political opposites are brain damaged.... and, say, less than human.
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GORDON wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2024 12:12 pm But there's a deeper, hidden, insidious bias in there. It's not good when it becomes conventional wisdom that your political opposites are brain damaged.... and, say, less than human.
But, they are :P
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