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Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:04 am
by Chaotic Obsidian
It's quite obvious that our champion pool is very...Selective...And with only 1 real option for top, mid, and jungle, it's hard to win games. So here's what I'd like to see:
Gordon: Try to polish up that Kayle and add in a Jayce, Malphite, Shen, Zed, and Rennekton. That's just five more champions, and each one brings a lot to the table.
Leisher: Teemo is fun and SUPER annoying to the enemy, but I'd like to see a Lux/Gragas/Karthus/Ahri/Anivia/Twisted Fate. Each one offers quite a bit of utility and will help us win more games (Anivia walls can absolutely destroy enemy engages)
Alex: Noct is a great champion and I'll like to see him a lot too, but polish up Naut a bit and try to add a Trundle, Hec, Voli/Nunu, and an Elise.
I will continue to work on my positioning, last hitting, and shot calling to the best of my abilities. We'll make it a long ways this season, that I can promise. But we'll have to put in some work to get to it.
Like I said, feel free to comment. We can ALL improve on last hitting (100 minion kills by 15 minutes AT LEAST) for all lanes (except support, of course) and we can all CERTAINLY study team fights and communication.
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:09 am
by Cakedaddy
You mentioned Jarvin the other night, so I buy him. Now you want 4 other champs. . . .
I actually have Nunu and Elise, but haven't had a lot of time with them.
I've been going Noc lately because he's my strongest, traditionally. But I haven't been doing well with him lately. I'm going to be concentrating on Jarvin for now. I'd like to go more bruiserish from the jungle.
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:05 am
by Stranger
I think having a tankier jungler with some sorta cc will help us out in teamfights alot more. with the lineup we've been running i'm the tankiest player, and thats when i go Leona and its hard to be a real tank with the income of a support. So if we had some beef up front to take some damage and knock around the other team we would be better served in teamfights. I think Jarvan is a good fit for that.
The problem with that is we lose a damage dealer, so top lane needs to be that for us. For that reason i like Kayle better than Singed. She has teamfight presence, she can actually attack enemies in a fight and has a ult that adds utility. Sure Singed can initiate and flip someone into us, but after that he's pretty useless in a teamfight he just runs around and thats about it.
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:40 pm
by Chaotic Obsidian
Jarvan is a great champion for sure. That list was just for some comps I had in mind specifically. We should just play and practice. Really, any champion can go top, mid, and bot. We just need a tanky front line with CC/disengage and good team fight presence.
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:43 pm
by Chaotic Obsidian
By all means, jungle that Jarvan. Saintvicious (a professional LoL player) has jungled every champion in the game. We have to find something that works for us.
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:18 pm
by Chaotic Obsidian
Stranger, I would say that we'd be out a damage dealer without Noct, however, if you look at most teams, they only have the two main damage sources (ADC and APC) and a bruiser with a gap close for jumping on the enemy ADC goes top. Traditionally, of course. I think if we had that Shen/Malph pickup that we need so much, we'd have a great initiation. Malph, Jarvan, Lulu, and a burst APC with some CC with an AD in the back would possibly be the best strat we could hope to try. So, naturally, we just have to try it in some games (Normal 5v5's preferably)
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:00 pm
by Leisher
Leisher: Teemo is fun and SUPER annoying to the enemy, but I'd like to see a Lux/Gragas/Karthus/Ahri/Anivia/Twisted Fate. Each one offers quite a bit of utility and will help us win more games (Anivia walls can absolutely destroy enemy engages)
Teemo is my "main". I honestly believe I build him better than most, and play him very well. It's rare than I lose lane with him.
I have no desire to ever stop playing him.
That being said, there's a reason I am ok with moving to AP mid, and that's because I like the lane, and there's a lot of champs I want to try there. (Also, it'll be nice to not have Stranger critiquing my last hit skills. :p )
So of the folks you name, I own Lux, Anivia, and TF.
-TF seems fine, and a little like playing an ADC. Not sure I love him, but I will practice him.
-Anivia has great potential and can march her team right down the lane if she's fed. However, her early game isn't exactly in my wheelhouse because she's so weak. Still, I'll practice her.
-I just bought Lux yesterday, and tried her a bit ago. As expected, she's fine. I can start playing her now. Odds of me getting her are 50/50 since she's in every game.
I also own Akali, and she matches my play style. I'm interested in Karthus as his ult could be fun, and he can harass (which I love doing).
As for Heimerdinger, who I have been practicing, I think I'd like to bring him out and see what we can do with him. Seriously. There's a good video on YouTube of a recent match where someone picked Heimer, and the strategy was for four of them to surprise push mid, while Olaf covered top and bot (using teleport). What occurred was that the mid guys knocked down the three mid towers within 15 minutes, while Olaf got fed. Olaf was several levels above everyone else. This could be a fun tactic to try. Four mid, plus two Heimer turrets is 6 damage dealers, plus throw in any minions. It might be a nice way for us to learn team fighting too, since we'd be forcing it.
I REALLY want to bring Heimer into game, but I know he's "troll-ish".
Jarvan is a great champion for sure.
IMHO, Jarvan is awesome. He's super tanky, does loads of damage, is a great initiator, etc. I think dumping Noc for him makes a lot of sense. He brings abilities we need, and replaces abilities we have already.
We have to find something that works for us.
Agreed.
Just be careful that you're not asking folks to do something they can't. In other words, let's be cautious that we're not jamming square pegs into round holes.
I've played ADC for 3 years(?) and I do decent with most of the champs, really good with 2-3, and HORRIBLE with one. Graves was my nemesis. I could not find success with him. I simply hated him. I had no fun playing him, but because teammates kept wanting me to play him (because he was played so much by the pros), I really tried over and over and over again to make him work. It never did. I think I played 50 games with him, and didn't enjoy a single game, even when we were winning I just hated the champion. I hated his kit, his stupid skins, his voice, I even hated his stupid dance.
Anyway, the point is that some folks just can't play certain champions or roles. Let's make sure everyone is comfortable with their role/champ or we'll have someone who isn't having fun and that's going to be our weak link.
The last thing I'd say is try not to be so "by the numbers". You have an awesome knowledge of the game, but until we get some practice in with new champs and team fighting, I think Cake is right that we should stick to more unconventional tactics.
We've always done well when traveling as a team and picking off their stragglers. We've had lots of success with Singed split pushing, which inevitably causes most teams to continually go back to stop him (sound familiar? we lost to a team that did this very tactic to us last night.).
One of the best things about this game is the creative ways teams overcome their flaws.
-M5 writes the book annually on new ways to play.
-Team SoloMid fights Baron at lvl 10 just to instigate team fights.
-Wasn't there a Korean team that started hyper pushing lanes to snowball for quick victories?
-Double jungle (we've done it)
-All push a lane
-etc.
Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go change my status to "Best Heimer NA" (because nobody else plays him...)
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:17 pm
by Chaotic Obsidian
You bring a good point with making sure everyone loves their champions. There are hundreds of them, and some of them, people just don't want to play. If ANYONE has an issue with anything, just reply with it. These are team forums after all! They're here for discussion, the games are there for execution and following calls and ganks. We just have to play a bunch of new champions. I think playing some games where WE ban out Singed/Noct/Teemo might be pretty decent for us. (Normal games, of course) that will force us into new champion roles AS WELL as teaching us how to play against Shens, Malphites, Blitz's, Leonas, Amumus, etc.
We have to know how to play our champions, but we also have to know how to play AGAINST their champions (stay behind minions with Blitz, for instance).
And once we start finding roles and champions we love, we'll start winning games very easily.
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:25 pm
by Stranger
Leisher wrote:(Also, it'll be nice to not have Stranger critiquing my last hit skills. :p )
Thats why i support and jungle.. i don't need to worry about that. But if you're a laner, you should be good at it, its so important.
And if Leisher is bringing out Heimer, im bringing Zyra support!! talk about lots of turrets!
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:32 pm
by Chaotic Obsidian
im bringing Zyra support!!
You laugh, but that's actually REALLY strong. I love some Zyra support. I didn't even know you played her.
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:40 pm
by Stranger
Chaotic Obsidian wrote:You laugh, but that's actually REALLY strong. I love some Zyra support. I didn't even know you played her.
i know she is.. i just haven't used her much lately.
i actually own just about every support. Thresh, Janna, Soraka, Taric, Alistar, Nami, Nunu, Blitz etc.. i feel pretty comfortable with them all but i've played many more games with Sona, Lulu and Leona. Im up for whatever combos you wanna try bot lane.
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Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:44 pm
by Chaotic Obsidian
Im up for whatever combos you wanna try bot lane.
I love that mentality. We'll make some winning combos for sure. We may try to build a team around it as well. I do love some Thresh.
Objectives for tonight's matches: Play some normals and try out new strategies and team comps. Sound Okay with everyone?
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:50 pm
by GORDON
Super duper.
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:56 pm
by Leisher
I agree with tonight's plan ONLY if we can do a mass push in mid at least once.
Zyra, Heimer, Jarvan, and Vayne(?) while Singed covers top and bot lanes...
There's no way it succeeds, but it's a normal game, so who cares? We'll have fun with it.
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:03 pm
by GORDON
We need to corrupt Chaotic with our style of play, too, somehow.
We are the kings of non-standard tactics.... but because we know it without having to talk about it, it is hard to explain. 
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:08 pm
by Stranger
sweet! i've been wanting to bring out some Zyra, but im warning you.. i might get some kills...
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:34 pm
by Chaotic Obsidian
We need to corrupt Chaotic with our style of play, too, somehow.
Oh God...What have I gotten into! 
but im warning you.. i might get some kills...
I am incredibly used to KS's from my support. We'll be fine. If you're getting kills, bot's getting kills.
I agree with tonight's plan ONLY if we can do a mass push in mid at least once.
It's a normal. I'd do an ARAM in normals. Fuck it. We'll try it.
If we do try it, though, I'd like to work on reaction times to calls. Sometimes I would call out a target or say "I'm in trouble" and it would be about 30 seconds before anyone moved to protect the carry. I will try to be as vocal and on top of the game as I was the first two matches we played together. If you guys want a shot caller, you'll have one with me. I'll do my best not to let you down.
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:27 pm
by Chaotic Obsidian
Oh, and for the practice tonight, we may have to push it to a little later. I'm going on a date before prom with my girlfriend. But I will be on at some point tonight. If you need to contact me, just email me. It goes to my phone. Best of luck!
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:33 pm
by Leisher
I am incredibly used to KS's from my support.
Then you're definitely ready to play with Stranger...
It's a normal. I'd do an ARAM in normals. Fuck it. We'll try it.
Like an ARAM, but not. If four of us surprise mid, the enemy team HAS to react or lose turrets. Just something to try.
We could actually do it to top and really make it hard for them to react.
We need to buy our stuff fast, and immediately head top lane. Head right into the bush on their side. If top shows and walks in, we kill him. If he shows, but doesn't come in, our top needs to sneak back to the bush on our side, and come out as normal when the minions arrive. At that point, their top should move forward thinking it's safe, and then we jump him and begin pushing the turret.
Meanwhile, Singed could be clearing bot and mid, getting fed more than anyone else in the game...
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:47 am
by Stranger
the flu bug has hit my family bad this week. Wanted to get on lastnight but it was gonna be late and i had to work this morning anyways.
I will be on for sure tonight though.