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Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:10 am
by GORDON
37 reasons the economic recovery is "a giant lie."
http://www.zerohedge.com/news....ant-lie
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:05 am
by TPRJones
Meh, it's completely obsessed with employment statistics and ignores the fact that entrepreneurship is at an all-time high. There is a large number of people making a living on places like Etsy, eBay, YouTube, etc, and I think these new "job" levels are just an adjustment to that new normal because none of that gets captured in the old way of measuring. We're still going through the fourth revolution and this is just one of the many things that will be permanently different.
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:46 pm
by GORDON
TPRJones wrote: There is a large number of people making a living on places like Etsy, eBay, YouTube, etc....
Yeah, but aside from those 14 people...
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:25 am
by Leisher
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:46 am
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:TPRJones wrote: There is a large number of people making a living on places like Etsy, eBay, YouTube, etc....
Yeah, but aside from those 14 people...
Take however many people were making a living busking, then multiply it by at least 100K. That's how many people make a living off ebay and amazon. Consider the "VHS films never officially released on DVD" market.
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:03 am
by GORDON
I... need some evidence that large numbers of people... tens, hundreds of thousands, make a "living" off of ebay and amazon as their sole source of income. Enough people that they would affect unemployment numbers if they were factored in, and enough money that they were not on any kind of assistance at the same time.
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:58 am
by TPRJones
I don't know about ebay or Amazon, but I can speak on some other people making money online. I could list the names or websites of 83 for you that I am personally aware of (mostly because I follow their works online). And I am 100% certain I am not following the works of anywhere near a measurable percentage of those people making their money through such means.
From what I can find online, as of last year the top 1,000 YouTubers were making $23,000 per month or more (the top 25 all make more than $1mil a year). I would guess there's at least ten times that number making that per year, which I would consider enough money to make it more than just a hobby income, but still it is not counted as a job. And that's just one website.
There's also plenty of webcomics, musicians, and other artists making a decent living through digital means. We're living in an interesting age of digital patronage, and there are a lot of artists doing quite well for themselves. I don't mean a few dozen, I mean tens of thousands. Each one known only by 1,000 True Fans, but that's all it takes now to make a good living doing art or music or comedy or what have you. And all not yet big enough to have decided to incorporate are "unemployed".
Eventually the feds will find ways to count and classify this stuff, but until then the verifiable numbers are scattered far and wide.
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Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:17 pm
by Malcolm
Doc talks about Obamacare.
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:52 pm
by GORDON
Be publicly critical of Obamacare, get audited by the IRS.
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/williams/131211
Once happenstance, twice coincidence, etc.
Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:35 pm
by Malcolm
Deadline moved back a month, if you're sick enough.
Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:31 pm
by GORDON
Obama administration admitted on Sunday that thousands of peeps who signed up for Obamacare on the website.... didn't.
http://www.foxnews.com/politic....estnews
I wonder why they would release this kind of info on a Sunday... it's almost like they want to bury it. They must have only figured it out this morning or late last night after everyone was asleep.
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:37 pm
by Malcolm
The administration said it has fixed more than 70 software glitches over the past several weeks related to 834 forms.
Holy fuck. I have to meet this QA team.
Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:39 pm
by GORDON
I would love to see what the current dollar cost is in this development process. Wasn't it $300 mill on October 1? I saw lots of liberal NO IT WASN'T since then, so I really have no idea.
Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:41 pm
by GORDON
Has anyone done any comparison shopping? I would love to get on there to shop prices... but honestly, I would feel safer giving a russian porn site my credit card info.
Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:09 pm
by Cakedaddy
Right now. As far as I know. My insurance is canceled on Jan 1 and I have no idea where my 'sign up' on healthcare.gob stands.
I love that this is happening.
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:52 pm
by GORDON
Looks like some peeps who managed to sign up and selected auto bill pay have been having their checking accounts fucked up.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner....k-steyn
Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:44 pm
by GORDON
The Obamacare debacle is only going to get worst next year, according to these guys at the Wall Street Journal.
http://online.wsj.com/news....1505102
Prepare to be audited by the IRS, wall street journal.
Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:55 pm
by TPRJones
All the people that were expecting to be all "Obama gave me free healthcare, yay!" are instead shouting "I have to pay WHAT?!" On the bright side if the health care industry does completely collapse in this mess, that would probably be a good thing. Whatever arises to replace it is likely to be a massive improvement over both the current mess and the old mess we had before.
Just don't get sick until about 2020.
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:16 pm
by Malcolm
On the bright side if the health care industry does completely collapse in this mess, that would probably be a good thing.
Hah. I call bailout.
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:19 pm
by thibodeaux
Sometimes I think the broken-ness of Obamacare is a feature, to make everybody say "fuckit, I'd rather just have socialized medicine."
Then sometimes, I think there's some kind of 5th column sabotage at work.