League of Legends - Trumped up Rock, Paper, Scissors

Post by **GORDON** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:13 am

Ronnie did well tonight with the ganks and whatnot.

83-1330479420 · Post by **83-1330479420** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:36 pm

Leisher wrote:For the record, I'm pro-Scooty.

I don't mind the various champs as much, BUT I'd like it if he ran down in champ select and early game what to expect so we'd know.

If I was to honestly point out anything about his game, it'd be the two things I've always said to him:
1. Don't bother arguing with strangers. It's a waste of time and might just get him reported. (Note: One of the best wins we've ever had was a recent TT against a Talon who talked just a ridiculous amount of trash. We were silent while getting pushed early. We came back strong and beat them in a single push. Even his team was calling him out post match for being a loudmouth who couldn't back it up. THAT'S how you shut up a jackass.)
2. When mid and late game comes focus more on the team than farming. (Note: This is the same advice I tell Ronnie, and try to live myself because I make this mistake too.)

For the record, I'm pro-Scooty.

I don't mind the various champs as much, BUT I'd like it if he ran down in champ select and early game what to expect so we'd know.

I'm playing Taric for the next few weeks. Learn him, you'll see him a shit ton.

1. Don't bother arguing with strangers. It's a waste of time and might just get him reported.

If it really bothers yah guys then i can chew my arm off to keep my mouth shut when it usually wouldn't be, no big deal.

2. When mid and late game comes focus more on the team than farming.

I always seem to be behind in levels/minion kills so i figure id only be ruining the game further if i feed the enemy in a team fight, being that i'm usually first focused because the enemy knows this aswell. I'll participate, but i don't like being made fun of at the end of a game for having no kills and a shit ton of deaths, not fair when i'm trying to follow your guys' rules.

Post by **GORDON** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:40 pm

Scooty Poof wrote:...but i don't like being made fun of at the end of a game for having no kills and a shit ton of deaths, not fair when i'm trying to follow your guys' rules.

You never got made fun of for falling behind in levels and having low-kills, high deaths. We all do that to each other when it applies.

You get made fun of because you got no kills/high deaths when playing random champions that aren't your "mains."

And we never take it personally, nor should you. Not that I'm saying you do.

83-1330479420 · Post by **83-1330479420** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:19 pm

Alright, my bad.

Post by **GORDON** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:17 pm

I send Leisher a PM asking if he is playing tonight, I get no response. I text Cake to ask if he is playing tonight, no response.

Post by **Cakedaddy** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:25 pm

I don't normally have my cellphone on me on the weekend. Sunday night is Walking Dead night.

Post by **Leisher** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:48 am

If it really bothers yah guys then i can chew my arm off to keep my mouth shut when it usually wouldn't be, no big deal.

It's not that it bothers me. It's affect on me goes no farther than worrying that you're typing while playing instead of focusing on playing or you're fighting with a teammate, and they are focusing on you or will quit. More so, I worry you'll get banned.

You may not notice, but we say the things you type, we just don't type it.

When people talk trash to you, they want a reaction. If you don't give it to them, it pisses them off. It's unsettling to really get on someone, and have it not phase them. And if they beat you? I guarantee that person is smashing their keyboard.

When it's a random teammate, play along. Be polite, follow their lead unless it's too stupid to follow. It disarms them and makes them back down unless they're a complete jackass, in which case, just mute them.

I always seem to be behind in levels/minion kills so i figure id only be ruining the game further if i feed the enemy in a team fight, being that i'm usually first focused because the enemy knows this aswell. I'll participate, but i don't like being made fun of at the end of a game for having no kills and a shit ton of deaths, not fair when i'm trying to follow your guys' rules.

Well, first of all, you're not usually first focused. You're not the tank drawing fire, and you're not the AD carry. We've been in many matches where any one of us has been a team's focus. Sometimes they go after support, sometimes they go after AD, sometimes it's AP, etc. If you feel like you're always being targeted, then you're too close to the fight. I say that because I used to do that a LOT with MF. I was used to playing Trynd or Garen. I had to teach myself a different play style with MF.

Second, let's say that you're a lvl 7 Veigar and everyone else is lvl 11. There's a team fight going on. Now which do you think we'd prefer? You going to farm or you coming over and dropping a stun circle to help us kill them or get away? I completely understand the fear of feeding, but joining a team fight doesn't always mean completely engaging. As MF, if I come up to a fight late, I'll use my ult or E to either finish off enemies, scare them off, or slow them down so my teammates can escape. Those abilities have nothing to do with level.

It SUCKS to be behind in levels and money. We've all had those issues, and there's only two things you can do:
1. Play better earlier.
2. Play ultra conservative until you're caught up.

The main thing to remember is that you're on our team. We do not profit or gain from you doing poorly. We don't win when various members of our team are on different pages. We're going to do whatever we can to help you out. It's up to you, however, to let us know you're behind or having trouble.

i'm trying to follow your guys' rules.

The last thing I'll note is that our rules are nothing more than essential elements of any successful team. Team being the key word. Go watch the pro matches online, and the last thing you'll see is a bunch of individual play. Hell, look at ANY competition. 5 lone wolves lose every time against a team of 5.

I send Leisher a PM asking if he is playing tonight, I get no response. I text Cake to ask if he is playing tonight, no response.

Sunday night is Walking Dead night.

Yep. I didn't get back to the office until 10:30 or so, and I was working on a PC while playing Dead Island. Thus, I never got back to Gordo in time as I never saw his message.

Just as an FYI for the future, only one more episode of The Walking Dead left in season 2, but I may continue to wait until 10-10:30 to get online Sunday nights.

83-1330479420 · Post by **83-1330479420** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:08 pm

Well i'm down to start winning some games. I'm going to be playing the support role for the team, thats what i've always done in any kind of team based rpg type game. I'm the healer, i love healing, keeping the team alive and whatnot. Will be using Taric alot, but looking to phase a couple more supports in to finish the list. Would be awesome to get your guys' input on which supports to play? Taric is good for tanking, initiating and healing miniscule amounts of damage to teammates, stuns a single enemy, and has a couple of aura buffs passively and actively. Was talking to the Ran-man last night and i think Soraka will most likely be the next on the list because unlike Taric, her heals are far from miniscule. She nuke heals heheh. Shes also got a silence, across the board entire team heal, and her q is good for dropping magic resist quick on everyone in the fight. Also working on a system of constant slowing on the entire enemy team, will get back to yous guys on that later. Janner? She plays two ways, team escape artist/mad support auras with very low aoe healing power... team escape artist/AP heavy damage with decent aoe healing power.

Galio/Janna/Karma/Kayle/Lux/morgana/nidalee/shen/sona/soraka/taric/teemo/zilean.

^^ Obviously plenty of supports to choose from, check em out when you get the time and let me know which ones you'd like to see.

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83-1330479420 · Post by **83-1330479420** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:18 pm

Talking to my buddies that you guys played against the other night, and just wanted to throw this awesome idea out there that they came up with. Zilean in lane with twitch, twitch goes invis, zilean arms him with a time bomb, twitch busts butt to the nearest champion....Invisible Twitch Bombing. Is that not awesome or what heheheh.

83-1330479420 · Post by **83-1330479420** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:40 pm

Karma's Mantra works really really well for playing that support role. She heals, she boosts, and she shields. She doesn't have an ult, its just always there from level 1. Furthermore, her abilities don't stop leveling at 6, they stop at 7 since there is no ult to level. She can deal aoe damage, and if she spends one of her mantra charges she'll heal everyone around her for the damage dealt plus bonuses. She can create a beam between herself and and enemy or an ally. Enemies are slowed down by the beam and take damage, allies are sped up from the beam, if you spend a mantra charge then any ally who passes through the beam also gets the movement speed bonus, and the bonus is increased. Lasts 5 seconds. Finally the shield will just protect you from a bunch of incoming damage for 5 seconds, and if i use a mantra charge that shield explodes and does aoe damage to all enemies in the area. Mantra is cool, and heres what i think would be awesome. Get myself and one other friendly champion (skarner?), i'll start the beam between me and skarner, the rest of the team busts through the beam and chases down whoever is left. So when we're chasing enemies to score an ace or what have you, we need to pull this "Flying V" shenanigan and catch them very quickly! Will be playing lots of solo games to get ready with her as well as soraka being i haven't played either of them all that much.

Post by **GORDON** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:29 pm

Patch today.

And I tend to dislike any support character. You have to be VERY good with them to be more useful than you would have been with a character laning and keeping the enemy down. In my opinion.

83-1330479420 · Post by **83-1330479420** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:38 pm

GORDON wrote:And I tend to dislike any support character. You have to be VERY good with them to be more useful than you would have been with a character laning and keeping the enemy down. In my opinion.

Supports shine in team fights and keeping allies alive mainly through escape tactics.

Post by **Cakedaddy** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:57 pm

Played well, support can help a team as much as another damage dealer. That's why we ban Soraka. She so effective she uses up one of our three bans.

Supports only shine when played well and as part of the team.

83-1330479420 · Post by **83-1330479420** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:10 am

So i think you should let me back on the team for the following reasons:

1: Fixed the attitude and will handle criticism much better.
2: Trying to center on a champion that makes the most sense for your style of play.
3: Will be there for team-fights, if someone could just call out when its about that time, i may not be very good at noticing.
4: If i'm "stealing your kills" or "stealing your last hits" i'm not doing it on purpose, i'm just clueless. Say something.
5: Apologies for my one liners, everythings personal, learning to be the better person and not escalate things further than they need to be.
6: Won't touch the jungle, have no business being in there. All the blinky lights and blue/red orbs are just too damn distracting i can't keep an eye on the rest of the game.
7: Most of my mistakes take place when i'm in a bad mood. I'll opt out of the rest of the nights games if i can't handle it, that way we can avoid a mess, and i'll just be back on the next night with a cleared head.
8: My skills are improving with wards. I don't take them right off the bat usually (don't have any money after buying my first item), but get into the habit of purchasing them if the enemy is really ganky or if its just that time of the game where they are dominating and we need them to survive.
9: Playing more conservatively, i don't try things that have a chance of getting me killed.
10: Even though what i stated in 9 was true, i think dying trying to save a teammate is differently categorized, but i like to do that a lot regardless. If its a problem, i can stop. Sometimes it works though, your call.

83-1330479420 · Post by **83-1330479420** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:39 am

10-1-2 with Randy on TT as Yi. He thinks i should stick with Yi since he's seen some of my best games from him. Did very well, controlled top lane against blitzcrank extremely well, almost had a few kills on him early but he escaped with his super speed. Also had complete control over top jungle, constantly had 5 different aura's circling me during the game. Showed up for plenty of ganks, quit killing neutrals to assist my team alllllllll the way at bottom. Couldn't get their fast enough, but was able to show up in time to kill whatever champion was pushing on their team and get a decent push in. I haven't really messed with him on SR, but i know i won't have access to the jungle so it will most likely be a much different, much more difficult game for me. Won't be reaching level 18 as everyone is approaching level 12. Won't have an entire build before randy even gets his phantom dancer built heheheh. Needless to say when i keep my head in the game and play smart, i absolutely rule TT with Yi. Hope i can do the same on SR.

83-1330479420 · Post by **83-1330479420** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:47 am

Played one more after cake went to bed, this time i joined with one of my buddies from school on a 5v5. Went 20-6-6. Turns out i face roll even harder on SR! If i wasn't taking turret after turret after turret down and busting away, i was pulling triple kill after double kill + a turret after triple kill.....etc. Took a total of 5 turrets with me, only died 6 times, and thats even with me 1v5ing their team because i was getting bored at the end heheheheh, and taking 4 down with me still!!!! For some reason, veigar kept putting his stun circle in the perfect place, but i always had alpha strike ready to zip out of the circle instantly and directly next to him before i hit the wall. Played the game without a bloodthirster too so the only lifesteal i had was from the lantern, was hitting their best player, gangplank, for half his health each hit, with a crit it was his entire health bar. Another good victory for me, to throw into the improving match history list =D See for yourself! Build when the game was over was the lantern, berserkers grieves, infinity edge, phantom dancer, black cleaver, and a bf sword i was saving for a bloodthirster. Purchased in that order aswell, i like getting the infinity edge right off the bat, if your playing an AD carry i deffs suggest this build. Amazing survivability with the lanterns lifesteal, and the ad damage is absolutely 150% broken. Lots of people argue that the phantom should come before the infinity, and i used to agree, but the berserkers give you enough attack speed, the infinity edge jacks your damage output by soooooooooo much that early in the game, you start racking up the kills like mad. Will be messing with stack items now that i'm confident in my ability to get some kills and assists right off the bat.

83-1330479420 · Post by **83-1330479420** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:40 pm

Played a TT with randoms as Yi, sadly it ended terribly. Our Sion was foreign, hardly spoke english... Sion watches me and twisted fate running through bottom lane getting ganked by all 3 enemies after Sion failed to call an MIA on Nasus up top (After just meandering up top and stealing my lane ANYWAY........) he proceeded to stand in the bushes above bottom lane and watch as we slowly run past him getting our shit kicked in going 1/10th a mile an hour with 30 exhausts and slows pwning us. What does he do? Just chills, maybe grabbed some popcorn, enjoyed the pure ownage. So by this point me and TF are raging, but TF is the only one really giving him the business in chat, what does Sion do? He thinks a 3v1 will be a great way to end the game, dies, afk's and we surrender lose........ There went a perfect match history, gotta start all over now.

I stand by my usual statement and that is: Randoms blow.

Post by **GORDON** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:09 pm

Scooty Poof wrote:So i think you should let me back on the team for the following reasons:

1: Fixed the attitude and will handle criticism much better.
2: Trying to center on a champion that makes the most sense for your style of play.
3: Will be there for team-fights, if someone could just call out when its about that time, i may not be very good at noticing.
4: If i'm "stealing your kills" or "stealing your last hits" i'm not doing it on purpose, i'm just clueless. Say something.
5: Apologies for my one liners, everythings personal, learning to be the better person and not escalate things further than they need to be.
6: Won't touch the jungle, have no business being in there. All the blinky lights and blue/red orbs are just too damn distracting i can't keep an eye on the rest of the game.
7: Most of my mistakes take place when i'm in a bad mood. I'll opt out of the rest of the nights games if i can't handle it, that way we can avoid a mess, and i'll just be back on the next night with a cleared head.
8: My skills are improving with wards. I don't take them right off the bat usually (don't have any money after buying my first item), but get into the habit of purchasing them if the enemy is really ganky or if its just that time of the game where they are dominating and we need them to survive.
9: Playing more conservatively, i don't try things that have a chance of getting me killed.
10: Even though what i stated in 9 was true, i think dying trying to save a teammate is differently categorized, but i like to do that a lot regardless. If its a problem, i can stop. Sometimes it works though, your call.

1. Nobody in our group ever makes personal attacks. We aren't buttholes. If it seems we are picking on you, well we may be, but it comes from a good place and we don't hold grudges.

2. I still recommend 2 or 3 champions from which you rarely deviate when we all get on as a team. I don't think anyone else on our team has more than 3 they regularly play. This lets us play with each other instinctively, without having to put a lot of forethought into it. Remember that time you were playing Veigar, and mentioned how you knew exactly where Singed was going to fling a bad guy, and had the paralyze ring ready to go before Singed even flung? Like that.

3. There is really no set time when team fighting starts, and sometimes we are even too slow to start team fighting. Sometimes we initiate team fighting when we see an opportunity, sometimes we only figure it out the 3rd time the entire enemy team ganks a couple of us.

4. Generally we don't care about last kills, we just fuck with each other if it happens. If someone is getting shut out of money, they should speak up.

5. Nothing more needs to be said. We don't tend to take things personally, and everyone gets in a bad mood now and then.

6. Personally, as I don't ever play a dedicated jungler, I hit jungle spawns MAYBE 2 or 3 times a game, when a lane is pushed out too far and I have the opportunity to make a few XPs. That's just me. I do not get distracted by jungle spawns/buffs.

7. We all get in a bad mood sometimes. It is best to, as you said, just walk away for the evening. Surf porn, like I do.

8. I think we all have a lot of potential to get better. When I turned level 30 with 150 wins, I figured we were pretty good. Us NOW at 300+ wins would crush us THEN at 150 wins. Us at 500+ wins will be able to crush us NOW at 300+ kills. We are always figuring new things out.

9. I think conservative is the way to go, personally. When I get beaten in a game it is usually by people who were playing by the numbers, and waiting for me to get impulsive and try something crazy. The less we feed, the weaker they stay... and maybe THEY will screw up. We've played a game once where we went 20 minutes before someone got First Blood.

10. My game got a lot better, and I think everyone else agrees with this, when I embraced the philosophy: "Don't die." I go for a risky near-kill about 10% as much as I used to, and therefore I feed the enemy a lot less, resulting in them advancing slower, resulting in an overall advantage for everyone else on the team. Sometimes just not getting killed is a winning move, in the overall game.

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New thoughts:

A well-played support character can be devastating to the enemy team, when the support character keeps allowing us to not die, get kills, farming the enemy while denying them kills. I have played against enemy teams where their support character essentially carried the game, and I got plenty frustrated when I would die to an enemy with 25 hit points left... 5 or 6 times.

The problem, as I see it, is we don't have anyone on our team that is that good. I have heard Cake describe a few really good games as Maoki, and I completely believe him, but I've never personally seen it. As such, I don't like support characters. If anyone else on our team wanted to play a support character, and STICK WITH A SUPPORT CHARACTER until they got really good at it, then great. But if I saw a guy who likes to play a support character a couple times but kind of sucks and then decides to move onto another character a few games and then decide that it is boring and then moves on to a DIFFERENT character, etc etc, repeat, etc, and then we don't even see that support character again for a week... well, that sucks. If you're going to do it, do it 100%. Let us learn to play with the support, and you learn the character 100%. Google up strategies and tactics with that character. Eat sleep and breathe it. I did that with Singed when I first bought him... at first it was completely alien playing him. I got better.

But then, Yi is a good character, too.

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As far as you rejoining the team, honestly we had 2 problems with your play style: you were always playing different champions, and you were frequently hitting a jungle spawn when you should have been elsewhere, either defending base or running with the group. I know I personally leave group sometimes as Singed to try to push a lane solo, but I have very strict rules I follow when I do that:

1. Team is not currently fighting when I leave. If they are fighting, I am typically fighting with them.
2. I know where at least 4 of the 5 enemy champs are... I am not going to go solo into an ambush.
3. I keep one eye on the minimap at all times, and I immediately see when they move toward me or disappear altogether.
4. If I lost track of them, I pull back immediately.

Sometimes I still get jumped.

5. If I get jumped twice when trying to be sneaky and push a lane solo, then I know they have good map awareness and I stop trying to be sneaky.

6. 75% of the time when I solo a lane I manage to not get jumped. 50% of the time I get jumped, I survive it anyway with Singed's speed, poison gas, flips, and glue.

So, being sneaky and laning solo is rarely a bad move for me, playing Singed. Other champions' success varies.

So, I have no problem with Scooty rejoining the team as long as 2 things happen:

Fewer, more consistent champs, and stop getting distracted in the jungle and/or going out solo when it is dangerous to do so. Be with the group more. Be quicker to defend the base when needed.

Repeat after me: THERE IS NO BLUE. BLUE DOES NOT EXIST.

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I was driving around town today doing errands, my mind wandering. I was thinking about that game the other night where the other team was stomping us, and one of the other characters started bragging how he had over a thousand kills and how we should be intimidated by that. We ended up beating them that game, doing our thing.

A week later, I figured out what I should have said to them at the end: "You guys are very good at this game, and you have more skill than we do at your champions. You lost because you are braggarts and are stupid." Because that is exactly why they lost. In their minds the game was over and they won, but in reality we were still playing, we outplayed them, and it cost them.

My point being: age and treachery will almost always defeat youth and skill. Since our UO days, it has been a well-known and much lamented fact among our enemies that while we always play within the rules, we usually don't play how other people think we should play, and they get beaten because of it. In UO they called us "no skill Hiding newbs." In LOL they call us no skill heal/exhaust/OP Trynd newbs. Same insults, new generation of babies in a different decade. As long as I suck, I don't care how mad they get at me. In fact, I consider their sweet, delicious tears a bonus.

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And that's all I have to say about that.

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83-1330479420 · Post by **83-1330479420** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:46 pm

Repeat after me: THERE IS NO BLUE. BLUE DOES NOT EXIST.

Hahahah, Exactly. It has been stamped in the brain. Been getting used to taking clarity, very useful.

Post by **Cakedaddy** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:59 pm

I think buffs should be used to their full potential, including the dragon and baron. But, there is a right time, and wrong time to go for them. Learning the difference is key. Gordon, I think you under use the buffs. Others over use them.