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Re: The Republican Party

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:46 pm
by Vince
With the vote squashing that went on today, I think I'm changing my party to unaffiliated next week. I hoped the Republican party could be reformed into a small government party. They are showing more and more that they can only become that if they are first destroyed.

Re: The Republican Party

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:54 pm
by GORDON
The Tea Party was going to fix things, but they got killed by the media. "Hey look these KKK guys showed up, there's the Tea Party!"

Re: The Republican Party

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:30 pm
by Leisher
Malcolm wrote:"Purge them".
Senator Jeff Flake, Republican of Arizona, an outspoken critic of Mr. Trump who plans to skip the convention, said more bluntly that the party should be prepared to break with Mr. Trump and the voters who have cheered his pledges to deport millions of undocumented immigrants and ban Muslims from entering the country.

“You’ve got to hope that, if this race keeps going the way it looks to be going, that it’s enough of a jolt to wake people up and say we don’t want to be relegated to second place in every future presidential campaign,” Mr. Flake said.

He suggested a purge of racists from the party that would recall the expulsion of the John Birch Society, a fringe nationalist group, from Republican ranks a half-century ago.

“Those who want a Muslim ban, those who will disparage individuals or groups — yes, we ought to, we need to,” Mr. Flake said.
You're in the wrong party, Jeff.
True, he needs to go to the party where they tell minorities how great they are while holding them under the water.

Re: The Republican Party

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:37 pm
by TheCatt
Flake is fairly Libertarian.

Re: The Republican Party

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:17 am
by Malcolm
Maybe Jeff can personally escort this fucking waste of oxygen out the door.
Responding to writer Charlie Pierce’s MSNBC panel comments about “old white people” running the Republican Party, King preached his own race’s supremacy.

“I would ask you to go back through history and figure out where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you are talking about. Where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?” the Republican said.
...
“Than white people?” moderator Chris Hayes interjected.

“Than Western civilization itself that's rooted in Western Europe, Eastern Europe and the United States of America, and every place where Christianity settled the world," King replied.
Fucking wow.
The congressman has made a name for himself this summer with racial remarks and symbols, saying in June that putting Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill is racist, presumably against white people.
Dude? Wtf? You don't have a lot of black female Republicans. Why the fuck are you against putting one of them on the $20?
Social media users blasted the conservative for his apparent white supremacy Monday night, pointing out that he was sitting in front of Arabic numerals.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Let's see Steve King start writing things in Roman numerals. Actually shit, that'd require competence in basic math ... and he is from the cornfucker state, so that's probably outlawed seeing as how they only use math to calculate government ethanol subsidies. Bet they have to outsource the number crunching to institutions outside the state.

Re: The Republican Party

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:02 am
by Vince
GORDON wrote:The Tea Party was going to fix things, but they got killed by the media. "Hey look these KKK guys showed up, there's the Tea Party!"
They didn't just get killed by the media. The RNC did their share as well (See Chris McDaniel in Mississippi). McConnell has a Senate PAC where they raise money saying if you want more conservative voices like Ted Cruz in the senate then donate to their Super PAC, while spending money against every conservative that Ted Cruz endorses in the primary.

I'm done with them.

Re: The Republican Party

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:04 am
by GORDON
I was going to bring the Republicans' disinformation as well, but didn't feel like opening yet another can of worms. I always get argued with.

It's why I think the system is unfixable and very broken.

Re: The Republican Party

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:13 am
by Leisher
Speaking of disinformation...

From Malcolm's article about some guy in Iowa I've never heard of:
“That was just in-my-face racism,” she said, adding that America was built off of the labor of black slaves.
That quote was from the black woman on the panel, April Ryan. I wonder if she realizes that his racism/ignorance was equally as bad as hers claiming "America was built off the labor of black slaves"?

Re: The Republican Party

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:34 pm
by Vince
Alaska Delegate Spills The Beans On How The RNC Denied The Roll Call Petition

More on why I don't think the Republican party can be reformed.

Re: The Republican Party

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:41 pm
by Malcolm
Vince wrote:Alaska Delegate Spills The Beans On How The RNC Denied The Roll Call Petition

More on why I don't think the Republican party can be reformed.
It has been reported that Alaska did not turn in its required signatures to contribute toward the rules committee roll call vote.
As a rules committee member, I had secured more than enough signatures from Alaska delegates, but the convention secretary was not at the designated location where I was told to submit them.
Some said she was hiding. Others said she was protected by guards. Regardless, I was told I could also present the signatures from the floor.
Nevertheless, when the vote occurred, my mic was not turned on. When I attempted to present these signatures at the stage, my effort was ignored by the chair, and the security guard turned me away.
The effort was made even more difficult by Alaska's late-arriving bus and slow security lines at the entrance.
Overall, this was not a good demonstration of delegate accommodation, nor of full, open, honest debate of the rules as was promised during the rules committee orientation.
Fred Brown
Rules Committee
Member, Alaska
Someone remind me again how Democrats are the only ones that stuff ballot boxes and skew voting results.

Re: The Republican Party

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:44 pm
by Leisher
Malcolm wrote:Someone remind me again how Democrats are the only ones that stuff ballot boxes and skew voting results.
Who made that statement?

Re: The Republican Party

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:48 pm
by Malcolm
Leisher wrote:
Malcolm wrote:Someone remind me again how Democrats are the only ones that stuff ballot boxes and skew voting results.
Who made that statement?
People on this board whenever the acronym ACORN is thrown around or whenever voter ID laws get brought up and how the jack-asses are using them to cheat in general elections. The pachyderms simply haven't graduated to the next level and must be content with fucking themselves over, intra-party style.

Re: The Republican Party

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:54 pm
by GORDON
There was an entire thread about it when I started posting news articles actually highlighting all the many occasions of democratic voter fraud. I don't think I ever found any stories from the republican side.

Re: The Republican Party

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:07 pm
by Leisher
GORDON wrote:There was an entire thread about it when I started posting news articles actually highlighting all the many occasions of democratic voter fraud. I don't think I ever found any stories from the republican side.
Well Malcolm, Hillary's personal attack dog, just gave you one.

Republicans are clearly steering their own convention to nominate Trump, even though they all hate him, don't want him, and didn't show up.

Re: The Republican Party

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:15 pm
by Malcolm
Well Malcolm, Hillary's personal attack dog, just gave you one.
You have me mistaken for Bill, or possibly Elizabeth Warren. I'm not endorsing the failed astronaut, I'm bashing the failed Reality TV host.

Re: The Republican Party

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:18 pm
by Vince
Leisher wrote:Republicans are clearly steering their own convention to nominate Trump, even though they all hate him, don't want him, and didn't show up.
I think the biggest concern of the RNC was that the new rules would reward states with closed primaries with more delegates. That might lead to a small government Constitutional candidate. That scares them a lot more than Trump. The grassroots are to only vote as they are told. They shall not try to propose ideas.

Re: The Republican Party

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:33 pm
by Leisher
I'm actually seeing articles and opinion pieces by high ranking Republicans or their mouthpieces saying that they need to leave the Trump supporters behind and kick them out of the party.

Who the fuck do they think would be left?

They absolutely REFUSE to look at their policies and see if maybe, just maybe they should change a bit.

Meanwhile, the Democrats are running a brilliant smear campaign making it so every right wing label from Conservative to Republican to Tea Party, etc. are considered bad words and shameful to declare yourself as one. If you're white, you're racist and if you're a minority, you're an Uncle Tom or ignorant. All the while promising people all the free stuff they can use.

Worrying about Trump is like worrying that someone threw a lit match into an ammo warehouse...that was already completely engulfed in flame.

Re: The Republican Party

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:38 pm
by Malcolm
Meanwhile, the Democrats are running a brilliant smear campaign making it so every right wing label from Conservative to Republican to Tea Party, etc. are considered bad words and shameful to declare yourself as one.
I think the right's done a fine job of positioning itself on the edge of a sheer cliff. The left just nudged them ever so slightly and let gravity do the rest.

Re: The Republican Party

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:48 pm
by Leisher
Speaking of the left's smear campaign... Benghazi mom at the RNC is a dumb, dirty tactic according to the left. However, several BLM moms will be talking at the DNC.

Which candidate is spewing nonsense and fear to get votes again? I keep forgetting. Which one is pandering? Which one is worse?

This is all so confusing.

Re: The Republican Party

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:20 pm
by Vince
Leisher wrote:I'm actually seeing articles and opinion pieces by high ranking Republicans or their mouthpieces saying that they need to leave the Trump supporters behind and kick them out of the party.

Who the fuck do they think would be left?
Actual conservatives? The Republican machine is fine with Trump. He went in and gave his assurances that if he were to win he'd do nothing to upset their power. So they're more okay with losing with Trump than winning with a small government constitutionalist.

I'm at the point now that I'd rather lose elections with a smaller party of principled politicians than win elections only to have them capitulate on every. single. issue that they were elected on. The way the legislate, even when they win they're killing us and surrendering before they even get to the battlefield.

When the war is over, having lost is acceptable if you've fired all your ammo. We're giving up the battles with full magazines.