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Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 5:55 pm
by Cakedaddy
I was fine on farm and was leveling fine. Had adequate items and stuff. I was more concerned with how far out we were pushing the minions, and then engaging the enemy than anything else.
Ya, we had bad flip action, but I think that will come with experience. You'll get better at detecting my swap building up just like I've learned your flip tells.
It looks like the Internet is filtering Leishers walls of text now. It's decided they are too big and bogging things down.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 9:57 pm
by GORDON
I think I am taking tonight off. I need some sleep.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:32 pm
by Cakedaddy
I had to work. Now I'm sleeping. Should be on tomorrow night. Unless I fall asleep early. Starting tomorrow at 4:45am. Like I did today.
Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 7:37 am
by GORDON
If I don't get my full 14 hours of sleep every night I get grumpy.
Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 7:24 pm
by GORDON
Anyone playing tongiht?
Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 7:42 pm
by Leisher
I had planned to, but I'm sitting at work still. It'll depend on how I feel when I get home.
Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 8:49 pm
by GORDON
Feelings are for women.
Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 8:58 pm
by TheCatt
Yall need Troy.
Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 9:06 pm
by GORDON
His wife wont let him play with the other kids.
Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 9:34 am
by Leisher
I didn't like our three tank team. Way too much defense, and no offense. Every time I got into a skirmish, the other team ignored the tanks and were focusing me. Once I died, nobody else could hit for shit.
I didn't notice, but I assume they were doing the same thing to Cake.
I think if our random 5th goes tank, we need to alter things up a bit. Maybe Gordo goes GP and lanes with Stranger as Nautilus?
Oh, and Stranger, I have seen an AP Trynd. Not kidding.
Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 12:39 pm
by Stranger
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board....+kennen
An AP Trynd isn't even viable.. but an AD Kennen is.
I never said AD Kennen is the best choice but I have certainly seen high elo players do it.. NO AP TRYNDS THO!
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 1:09 pm
by Leisher
Can Stranger not see the League of the Eve of UO Galaxies - Private Legends Diplomacy forum?
Google "kennen ad or ap" and you'll find a lot more threads saying it's absolutely ignorant with stats explaining why rather than opinions. However, that being said...
An AP Trynd isn't even viable..
ANYTHING can work. Cake's point is that all it takes is one good game with a ridiculous build, and that player or others who see it will begin to copy it. The problem with that is they'll fail 80-90% of the time, and blame other things, not their inefficient build.
but an AD Kennen is.
We never said he wasn't viable. What we're saying is that it's inefficient. It doesn't make sense to use a character that is designed for AP, and designed to use those AP skills in team fights, and turn him into an AD champ for auto-attacking.
I never said AD Kennen is the best choice but I have certainly seen high elo players do it.
Never doubted you on that.
However, it's very important to note the thing that people arguing for AD Kennen are glossing over, the AD Kennen they saw at high elo was designed for a specific purpose in a team that communicated very well and had a plan going into the games. He was used to keep lanes clear of minions, and to stun multiple enemies quickly. He wasn't a solo champ and wasn't going to beat anyone's ass, but they build AD for the AS so they could stun quickly.
Also, note that one of the folks says if you're under 2400 elo, you shouldn't be doing this build. They also state if your team isn't all on the same page, you shouldn't be doing this build.
So again, the crux of our argument isn't that it can't be done, but that it shouldn't be done unless there's a specific reason for it, and everyone is on the same page.
Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 1:40 pm
by GORDON
Hey Stranger, remember when we were fucking with you last night? We were just fucking with you. Fucking with you just means we know you can take it.
For example, remember how we were always polite with Scooty? 
Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 2:15 pm
by Leisher
Hey Stranger, remember when we were fucking with you last night? We were just fucking with you. Fucking with you just means we know you can take it.
I will vouch for Stranger's ability to get razed. I think he was just grumpy last night.
Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 2:23 pm
by Cakedaddy
At our level of play, AD Kennen is not an option. Therefor, your defense of the build gets you ridiculed. Mercilessly.
Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 2:33 pm
by Stranger
Dudes!! ive got no desire to play an AD Kennen!! i just simply said that i have seen many people do it, thats all.. Now quit picking on me, it hurts my feelings 
LOL
Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 2:42 pm
by Cakedaddy
You keep saying it's a viable build! If someone on our team suggested they were going to go AD, you'd support them! This is wrong. Very very wrong. So, until you renounce all support for AD Kennen, you will be picked upon.
Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 3:33 pm
by Leisher
I played two Kennen games today.
The first was AP Kennen with no AP, not even as much as I give Teemo.
The second was AD Kennen with 2.5 AS.
I need to do another with AS AP Kennen so I can properly decide what's what.
Still, my first impression is that he's Teemo. AD Teemo is viable as well, but you're flushing all that poison from your darts and mushrooms down the toilet.
Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 3:40 pm
by Cakedaddy
AP with no AP? Did you mean AS for one of those?
Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 3:46 pm
by Leisher
Yes. AP with no AS.
Also, I realize it's Wednesday, but I think I'll be on after golf. The wife has to go to her mom's to help with a video we're working on for a friend's wake. Thus, I'm heading home to watch the kids instead of heading for the bar.
This is NOT guaranteed, but it is likely.