TPRJones wrote:I guess that's fine as long as you are willing to pay the consequences for assault and battery.
For a lot of people that's just the way it's going to be. You don't erase a lifetime of... conditioning? tradition? not sure of the right word... just because suddenly people are expressing what we've determined is a disorder and they are feeling pretty today.
If I had a daughter, I'd have a seriously big problem with a penis getting whipped out next to her in a public locker room.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
TPRJones wrote:I guess that's fine as long as you are willing to pay the consequences for assault and battery.
Stack that jury w/ fathers and husbands and I'll take those odds.
You roll those dice. Let me know how much fun community service is. That's coming from someone who's been arrested more than once and has had pending court dates the past five years.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
TPRJones wrote:I guess that's fine as long as you are willing to pay the consequences for assault and battery.
Stack that jury w/ fathers and husbands and I'll take those odds.
You roll those dice. Let me know how much fun community service is. That's coming from someone who's been arrested more than once and has had pending court dates the past five years.
I think even a lot of daughters on the jury would be pretty sympathetic.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Plus, I'm planning on moving to an area in the next couple of months where the guys more likely to get punched again by the deputy sheriff for admitting to intentionally being in the women's restroom than actually take his complaint.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
Vince wrote:It's insanity. An individual with junk in his shorts walks in on my wife and I'm going to transition his ass to the floor. End of discussion.
How very Christian of you. "Love thy enemy, unless he haveth a penis in an enclosed area with a woman."
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Vince wrote:It's insanity. An individual with junk in his shorts walks in on my wife and I'm going to transition his ass to the floor. End of discussion.
How very Christian of you. "Love thy enemy, unless he haveth a penis in an enclosed area with a woman."
You've been making some weird arguments in this thread. Is that really what you think is the point of not allowing men into the ladies room? Lack of christian values?
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
You don't erase a lifetime of... conditioning? tradition? not sure of the right word... just because suddenly people are expressing what we've determined is a disorder and they are feeling pretty today.
Traditions and the status quo exist to be tested and challenged. Furthermore, being a transgender individual isn't just "feeling pretty" and I wouldn't call it a disorder.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
GORDON wrote:You must have missed the links in the other thread where doctors and scientists said it was absolutely a mental disorder.
Considering the # of things that are mental disorders these days ("Oppositional defiance disorder," for example), I'm not sure that calling something a mental disorder even has meaning.
Besides, you could always play the history card about homosexuality being a mental disorder, or women's behavior (hysteria), etc.
GORDON wrote:You must have missed the links in the other thread where doctors and scientists said it was absolutely a mental disorder.
That doesn't mean anything. I can find you some doctors and scientists that say being Republican is absolutely a mental disorder. Doesn't make it so.
I'll give transgenderism the label of "mental illness" as soon as "unfounded belief in a higher power" is measured the same way.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
And I am not going to have the same debate in this thread. If anyone wishes to, find the other thread and get caught up. It was only about a month ago.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
GORDON wrote:I'm reminded of the story, "is there any amount of evidence that could convince you otherwise? No? Then I apologize for not being dressed for church."
At least my links were actual studies, not Wikipedia.
There are over 40 links to studies at the bottom of that page.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
GORDON wrote:I'm reminded of the story, "is there any amount of evidence that could convince you otherwise? No? Then I apologize for not being dressed for church."
At least my links were actual studies, not Wikipedia.
Sure, plenty. Give me a brain scan of a "normal" person. Even defining that is a hell of a task. Then you can give me the scan of a transsexual's brain side by side and point out where, how, and why it's different.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."