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I'll concede the gas usage at startup, but it does not negate any of my other points.

It's a garbage technology.

Absolutely. The wear and tear on the engine/starter is NOT worth the savings. When you compare the minuscule amounts of gas you save to the cost of earlier failure/replacement of parts, the environmental cost of making more of those parts now, transporting them, disposing of them, etc. . . aren't we just giving more money to the manufactures who get to mark up and pass on those costs to us in return for an incalculably small amount of MAYBE environmental gain?

Ya. It's stupid.

Cakedaddy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 16, 2026 1:24 pm Absolutely. The wear and tear on the engine/starter is NOT worth the savings. When you compare the minuscule amounts of gas you save to the cost of earlier failure/replacement of parts, the environmental cost of making more of those parts now, transporting them, disposing of them, etc. . . aren't we just giving more money to the manufactures who get to mark up and pass on those costs to us in return for an incalculably small amount of MAYBE environmental gain?

Ya. It's stupid.

Strangely hard to find objective data here. Fuels savings estimates are 3-10%; So $60 to $200 per year.

TheCatt wrote: ↑Mon Feb 16, 2026 2:11 pm Fuels savings estimates are 3-10%; So $60 to $200 per year.

Remember what I said about not believing in anyone neutral anymore? Same shit about the people behind these figures.

I think we've been given some real good examples lately of how easy it is to buy the scientific community.

Obviously depends how much city vs highway driving. I probably spend almost 25% of my time at stoplights around town

Went to visit my dad at his assisted living facility today. I drove up in the Porsche, but then borrowed a car from a relative, since dad can't get into/out of the car easily. We went to lunch, then drove back to the facility.

Dad: Wow, check out that Porsche over there. What a beaut!
Me: Thanks, it's mine.
Dad: YOU WISH.

We park the car, I walk over to the Porsche, and open the doors.

Dad: Wow! I had no idea!

We took a short joyride, and he enjoyed it - but it was hard for him to get out.

Anyway, if that above picture works, that's my car. Porsche 911 992.2 Carrera GTS 4 Cabriolet in viola metallic.

Good looking car. I'm very jelly.

I like the color too.

I spent the past 6/7 months refreshing the Porsche new car listings every 2-3 days looking for that purple. (or, one other purple was under consideration as well). That was the first one that showed up. And it turned out to be only 2.5 hours away! Kizmet?

The Porsche site didn't let you build it?

Leisher wrote: ↑Wed Feb 25, 2026 3:28 pm The Porsche site didn't let you build it?

I've been on the waistlist for a year for this model(still am, as I didn't remove myself). So yeah. I took a dealer build. But it was a nice build, and honestly, I wouldn't have been able to get that color on my own anyway. It's a special paint to sample color, which requires even more Porsche status.

Just curious. What did you give up to go with the dealer build?

Leisher wrote: ↑Wed Feb 25, 2026 4:13 pm Just curious. What did you give up to go with the dealer build?

I mean, if I build it, it's EXACTLY what I want. The dealer did this as a custom build, but obviously they chose how to customize it.

That being said, this car is pretty much what I would have built, except 1) I would not have chosen the special leather interior, I would have gone with a basic one. But it's really nice, so I'm not complaining. 2) I would have upgraded the stereo from Bose to Burmester, which I had in my previous one. 3) I would have chosen the ventilated seats. 4) I would not have chosen the hood/ragtop stripes. I like them fine, I just would have stuck with plain.

But, I did get the color by going this way, which I would not have gotten on my own.

So, overall, not a big difference.