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Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:32 am
by GORDON
Patched.
Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:26 pm
by Trooper
Currently repairing my installation. Seems after you spend 4+ months away from the servers, your patch wants to error out a third of the way through. . . Hoping to join in tonight nonetheless.
Oh, and I'm back by the way ;D
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Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:28 am
by Trooper
Practicing up on my manaless mid champions. Garen and Akali have been the focus.
Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:42 pm
by GORDON
Will be home by 11 tonight.
Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:06 pm
by Trooper
Going to keep practicing my Mid lane game, but this time I've taken into consideration your concerns for my champion selection. Working with Lux Jax and Pantheon, I've always seemed to show acceptable results with those 3, so I plan on upping my game with them a bit. Will also be on tonight.
Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:48 pm
by Trooper
http://www.twitch.tv/scootypoofjr
All of our games are recorded and immediately posted here at the end of the night. It's actually a live recording, so anyone not in-game can watch my screen live from this site, but when I end the broadcast at the end of the night, it instantly saves everything I broadcasted as a video, so you can watch it again later. Only downside is you're watching my game, from my perspective. Still. Really cool.
If you want to see our previous broadcasts to watch our games and critique, just click videos on the right side next to the chat button, and a tab with the most recent broadcasts should show. I'll keep them named so you know what is what.
Excuse my annoying electronic music btw ;D
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:03 pm
by GORDON
Can you see both teams in real time?
Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:39 pm
by Trooper
No. Its nothing like LOL Replay. It's broadcasting exactly what I see on my PC screen with a small delay, and when I shut the broadcast down, it saves everything as a video that you can then watch later. So, you'll only get to watch me play I guess, but nonetheless, I could really use the critique so it's all good.
Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:18 pm
by GORDON
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:47 am
by Malcolm
Bull the fuck shit. They're ... something. But "athlete" isn't the right term.
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:51 am
by TheCatt
As far as the government is concerned, that's close enough.
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:15 am
by Leisher
Malcolm wrote:
Bull the fuck shit. They're ... something. But "athlete" isn't the right term.
As long as NASCAR drivers are considered athletes, I don't understand any criticism of this decision.
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:15 am
by TPRJones
Leisher wrote:As long as NASCAR drivers are considered athletes, I don't understand any criticism of this decision.
At least driving NASCAR is apparently a good sustained cardio workout. Not sure the same can be said of LoL.
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:23 am
by Malcolm
TPRJones wrote:Leisher wrote:As long as NASCAR drivers are considered athletes, I don't understand any criticism of this decision.
At least driving NASCAR is apparently a good sustained cardio workout. Not sure the same can be said of LoL.
Agreed. Tell me that driving for hours on end in a car going triple digit MPH, in a fire suit, safety gear, etc., isn't physically demanding. Drivers have been known to sweat out a few pounds or more during the longer events. Then take into account the other few dozen moving objects on the road. Fuck, Go-Kart racing is more of a real sport than LoL.
Playing LoL requires as much "athleticism" as playing chess. No, chess is not a fucking sport, either. Neither is checkers or poker. They are hobbies or games people play. Some people are obscenely good and play professionally. They are not athletes in the same sense as a football player, golfer, or even curling or shuffleboard.
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:36 am
by TPRJones
I went looking to see what the Latin was for one that plays games to see if I could find a better word to start using, but apparently it's basically athlete. The physical aspect is a modern addition to the word; traditionally it meant anyone that played games regularly, yes including things like checkers and chess.
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:53 am
by Leisher
I went looking to see what the Latin was for one that plays games to see if I could find a better word to start using, but apparently it's basically athlete. The physical aspect is a modern addition to the word; traditionally it meant anyone that played games regularly, yes including things like checkers and chess.
There's the win.
Agreed. Tell me that driving for hours on end in a car going triple digit MPH, in a fire suit, safety gear, etc., isn't physically demanding. Drivers have been known to sweat out a few pounds or more during the longer events. Then take into account the other few dozen moving objects on the road. Fuck, Go-Kart racing is more of a real sport than LoL.
I disagree. Put a LoL player in a sweat suit or a hot room, and they'll drop pounds too. It's actually bad for you to be sitting for extended periods of time, and both activities have that.
I've never thought of NASCAR as a true "sport", nor its drivers as athletes, although by TPR's definition above, I guess I concede they are since chess and checkers players would be too.
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:14 am
by Malcolm
I'm willing to go with the modern twist. From wikipedia...
Athletic sports or contests, are competitions which are primarily based on human, physical competition, demanding the qualities of stamina, fitness, and skill. Athletic sports form the bulk of popular sporting activities, with other major forms including motorsports, precision sports, extreme sports and animal sports.
Emphasis mine. Let's talk about "precision" sports since that's about the only one I think LoL, or any game, could fall under. Easy example is archery. Again, if you don't think that's enough physicality, I encourage you to draw back a bowstring with an appreciable load and see what it's like. Then there's shit like croquet, golf, darts, billiards, and even air hockey ... all of which kind of fall into a grey area for me due to the hand-eye coordination and muscle memory requirements, yet lack some physicality. I'm willing to let golf and billiards slide as they have fundamental aspects of the game (teeing off and breaking, respectively) that require substantial kinetic force. Air hockey involves quite a bit of movement, despite its arcade game status. I'll even cut croquet slack because those mallets don't lift themselves. Darts is really, really, really, really pushing it.
I suppose the bit about all the electronic/video game "sports" is that your physical action translates into a virtual reaction that exists solely in 0s and 1s. You go "click," some math is artificially crunched, and based on your input plus the local environment, some results are rendered.
In and of itself, I can't call LoL a sport. Can it be involved in sport-like things, like a LoL marathon where it's "play til you drop?" Yeah. Can you measure stats about it, like any sport? Sure. Does it have a specific set of strategies tactics to achieve victory? Yup. However, just because something walks, talks, and swims like a duck doesn't mean it's a duck. It could just be a very close and convincing simulation.
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:15 am
by Malcolm
There's the win.
Old Latin is a win? Do you still use your salary (salarium) to buy salt exclusively?
Put a LoL player in a sweat suit or a hot room, and they'll drop pounds too.
No LoL player does that. If you want to have the LoL Death Valley Outdoor Tourney, I'll chalk that up to "sport."
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:05 pm
by Leisher
Malcolm wrote:There's the win.
Old Latin is a win? Do you still use your salary (salarium) to buy salt exclusively?
Put a LoL player in a sweat suit or a hot room, and they'll drop pounds too.
No LoL player does that. If you want to have the LoL Death Valley Outdoor Tourney, I'll chalk that up to "sport."
Old latin is a win because it's better than your argument.
So if I wear a sweatsuit on my commute, and I move 100 miles away from my job, I become an "athlete"?
You're drawing a line in the sand that is arbitrary and nobody else can see except for you.
How much physical activity does it take for you to deem someone an athlete? Who made you the person that determines such things? Last I checked the governing body said, "athlete" when it came to LoL.
It does take a level of physical skill to become a pro in LoL. It's a level of physicality that most LoL players will never have. Granted, a LOT of it is practice and an understanding of the game, but the point remains that there is a physical skill on display. There's impressive twitch reflexes and muscle memory on display. Really, really fast eye-hand coordination.
Those last two sentences can be said about multiple sports where practice and the faster reflexes really separate the amateurs from the pros. Golf. Bowling. Car racing. Darts. Billiards. etc.
Poker is a sport.
Look Malcolm, I'm with you, I really am. I think it's a bit ridiculous if looking at it strictly through a prism of physicality. However, your argument is making me ask where the line gets drawn, and more importantly, why?
Taking this question away from LoL for a moment, Tiger Woods is considered an athlete. Why? Millions of people do what he does daily. Many of them actually carry their own bags as they walk. The VAST majority exert more physical energy because they hit more shots, and walk farther around the course on errand shots or looking for balls. None of them are considered athletes though.
Why?
I'd argue that athlete is treated a bit too tightly.
Is Greg Raymer an athlete? Not by appearance, but have you ever sat and done one thing for 20 hours straight for 3-4 days straight? Isn't there a level of physicality there?
So tun sum all this up, I guess I'm asking where do you draw the line and why? Why is Prince Fielder an athlete, and why wouldn't a physically fit professional LoL player also fit your criteria for "athlete"?
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:10 pm
by TPRJones
Last I checked the governing body said, "athlete" when it came to LoL.
Point of order: "the government" labeling it so is no more or less valid than any other person doing so. Government is just people who get paid with taxpayer dollars, they have no more moral authority on any topic than anyone else. Just because "the government" says something is so does not make it so.