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League of Legends - Trumped up Rock, Paper, Scissors
You try Annivia and I'll do Ryze and that way I won't feel bad being the only one sucking.Leisher wrote:Actually I was going to try Anivia but I was worried about my ping. I'd happily try some other mids, it's why I own them.
And I'm all for ranked BUT I think we need to figure out bot lane first.
Also I was going to suggest Singed solo bottom since I have experience fighting 2 peeps in a lane. Will be different when that opponent is an ADC, but it shouldn't be too bad as long as they can't turret dive me pre-level 6. But someone said I wasn't leaving top lane last night so he can GFH.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Singed players sure are hostile.
This thread is causing a bit of a stir. Apparently, it's LoL comedy gold.
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This thread is causing a bit of a stir. Apparently, it's LoL comedy gold.
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"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
I think that i'm going to have to shelf the Kha'zix double jungle. The first game wasn't so bad cause we got off to a fast start, but when we got killed immediately in the second game it put me sooooo far behind. I couldn't get any farm and could hardly leave the jungle to help anyone. He CAN do lots of damage but if i get behind at all its a bad situation. Kha'zix rely's on his farm to build up and the double jungle isn't his place to do that. At least with Hecarim or Nautilus i could have some presense even if i got behind early, but not with Kha'zix. That was a learning experience and i'm not going to give up on him i just think he needs to be in a lane. I would like to try him in mid sometime if ever given the chance.
As far as the wards go, i was still buying them but not as much as i would have liked cause i was so far behind that second game. I also started with Wriggles both games and had that ward, obviously this isn't enough but trying to be a bigger damage dealer something has got to give. I think if we are going to double jungle it's going to be all of our responsibilities, Sure when i play support i can ward the hell outta the map and it has not effect on my build but if im not a support i need to build other items. But i was buying wards throughout both games, its just a habbit for me cause it comes natural since i play so much support.
As far as bot lane... Well i think that Singed would be better suited for it, but its going to be tough on whoever is down there. We know this coming into the game, its the sacrifice we make with double jungle. But in hopes that we can snowball top or mid, all we need is someone to hold off as much as possible. Maybe an idea would be to swap top and bottom lanes after about 10-15 minutes in hopes that we can send a stronger solo down there to deal with the duo team and put the weaker bot laner up against a hopefully weaker top lane enemy.
As far as the wards go, i was still buying them but not as much as i would have liked cause i was so far behind that second game. I also started with Wriggles both games and had that ward, obviously this isn't enough but trying to be a bigger damage dealer something has got to give. I think if we are going to double jungle it's going to be all of our responsibilities, Sure when i play support i can ward the hell outta the map and it has not effect on my build but if im not a support i need to build other items. But i was buying wards throughout both games, its just a habbit for me cause it comes natural since i play so much support.
As far as bot lane... Well i think that Singed would be better suited for it, but its going to be tough on whoever is down there. We know this coming into the game, its the sacrifice we make with double jungle. But in hopes that we can snowball top or mid, all we need is someone to hold off as much as possible. Maybe an idea would be to swap top and bottom lanes after about 10-15 minutes in hopes that we can send a stronger solo down there to deal with the duo team and put the weaker bot laner up against a hopefully weaker top lane enemy.
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You think I was kidding? Who's buying me that Teemo statue dammit?!
I didn't care for Kha'zix jungle. Not because you didn't play him well, but because I think we missed our tank.
Our five man lineup was:
Singed, Teemo, Akali, Quinn, and Kha'zix. Where is the tankiness? Our Singed is more of a damage guy right now, and more importantly, more of a solo lane pusher. Where is the CC?
I think Hecarim's lifesteal makes him a lot tankier, and thus more viable, due to the current health meta.
Speaking of our lineups, has anyone noticed that Volibear is being seen a LOT more? Again, due to health being the new primary defense attribute, if we have a Volibear player, he may want to explore that route... Can Volibear dual jungle? Can Volibear hold top?
Onto other topics:
BOT - Scooty either needs to find a champ that works bot or move to top. Akali is obviously not the answer. Whatever happened to Kat? Can't a good Jayce zone people out? Karthus can zone people out really well once he gets his aoe.
How about Lux? Play her as a support. She's got nice aoe attacks that help her quickly dispatch minion waves. Not to mention they slow and damage champs, and she has that stun. Her ult would be a nice game changer too.
Syndra is a hell of a zoner too. So is Anivia.
There's many champs that can work, but the key is that whoever is bot has to realize they are going to get the least amount of farm early game. So basically, it's EXACTLY like playing support except your ADC isn't in lane with you. You should never be out of range of your turret. Will they get shots in on it? Sure. However, if you're not dying, you're not feeding.
This also means bot will be primed for ganks, a LOT.
TEEMO - I know I need to switch up a bit, BUT I was thinking last night about Teemo. Obviously, he hits fast and hard by mid game. What if I dropped ignite (losing probably a kill a game) and instead took Teleport? By mid game, I normally have a deathcap and a hurricane. I'm hitting close to twice a second, and for a good amount of damage. I'm dropping entire minion waves in about 6 shots (3 seconds). Wouldn't it make sense for me to use teleport to quickly push lanes and towers over just having a single damage spell with a long cooldown, and that I stop using by mid game?
I didn't care for Kha'zix jungle. Not because you didn't play him well, but because I think we missed our tank.
Our five man lineup was:
Singed, Teemo, Akali, Quinn, and Kha'zix. Where is the tankiness? Our Singed is more of a damage guy right now, and more importantly, more of a solo lane pusher. Where is the CC?
I think Hecarim's lifesteal makes him a lot tankier, and thus more viable, due to the current health meta.
Speaking of our lineups, has anyone noticed that Volibear is being seen a LOT more? Again, due to health being the new primary defense attribute, if we have a Volibear player, he may want to explore that route... Can Volibear dual jungle? Can Volibear hold top?
Onto other topics:
BOT - Scooty either needs to find a champ that works bot or move to top. Akali is obviously not the answer. Whatever happened to Kat? Can't a good Jayce zone people out? Karthus can zone people out really well once he gets his aoe.
How about Lux? Play her as a support. She's got nice aoe attacks that help her quickly dispatch minion waves. Not to mention they slow and damage champs, and she has that stun. Her ult would be a nice game changer too.
Syndra is a hell of a zoner too. So is Anivia.
There's many champs that can work, but the key is that whoever is bot has to realize they are going to get the least amount of farm early game. So basically, it's EXACTLY like playing support except your ADC isn't in lane with you. You should never be out of range of your turret. Will they get shots in on it? Sure. However, if you're not dying, you're not feeding.
This also means bot will be primed for ganks, a LOT.
TEEMO - I know I need to switch up a bit, BUT I was thinking last night about Teemo. Obviously, he hits fast and hard by mid game. What if I dropped ignite (losing probably a kill a game) and instead took Teleport? By mid game, I normally have a deathcap and a hurricane. I'm hitting close to twice a second, and for a good amount of damage. I'm dropping entire minion waves in about 6 shots (3 seconds). Wouldn't it make sense for me to use teleport to quickly push lanes and towers over just having a single damage spell with a long cooldown, and that I stop using by mid game?
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
I'll figure out bot somehow. Like i've said may times before, there is no way to practice a 1v2 lane in solo queue. So I have to do all my practicing playing with you guys, and so far i've found every single champion i've played down there to be very difficult. Turret diving is the main thing, they'll do it to me constantly. Along with the fact that there really is no defending my turret, the adc chews it up and I can't do anything about it. I also usually only get 1 maybe 2 ganks bottom lane if i'm lucky every game, which I think is yet another issue.
Their adc gets super super fed bottom, this is bad. This is why we lose games most of the time i think. I'll keep trying new things till i find something that works.
Their adc gets super super fed bottom, this is bad. This is why we lose games most of the time i think. I'll keep trying new things till i find something that works.
I am always behind when double jungling too. Hell, I'm behind when single jungling. It's comes with the job. The key is, picking the right fights/ganks. We did a MUCH better job of that first game than second. Second, we were 'defending' mid against their mass push, then dying when we pushed back. Had we stayed in a defensive stance and not left our turret, we wouldn't have handed them all those kills. We have no tank. No initiator. We can NOT team fight. Ever. If the odds are even, then we don't fight it. We are bursty as hell. First game last night, late game, I was calling targets. Their team was somewhat spread out and ours happened to be together. Scooty actually called for a retreat (but he was in a crappy 'we suck' mood anyway). I more insistently called Vayne as our target. Me and one other person killed her instantly. Then I called the next target, boom, dead. Thirst target, etc. Next thing we know, four of them are dead, I wasn't hurt at all and we might have lost one. Four of us pushed their mid lane hard. That was the moment that pushed the game over the edge and we won. Point is, we bursted lone targets, communicated, won. Second game, we were team fighting mid, feeding them like crazy, making bad calls and lost. First game, I had a sight stone as one of my items. I was behind Vayne in levels the entire game. But, I never fought alone. So I won way more fights than I lost. The only solo fights we had were against Rengar and that was because we had him so shut down he was no threat. Yes, their Vayne/carry got fed, but top was completely useless and mid was under control. Our strategy is sound as long as we follow our own rules. I like having Kha and I think you just need to learn to play behind the enemies. First game, Kha and Quinn were inseparable. Second game, we were rarely together. Ton of hit and run first game, way too many team fights in mid second game. When we play correctly, we don't need a tank because the fights don't last long enough for us to miss one.
Bottom doesn't get ganked because their support always wards it and it's a 3v2 fight. They will always react and we will miss the kill. Mid and top is always a 3v1 with a lot of damage being thrown. Kills are plentiful. That's why I always call top/mid. Demoralize them early and make for a long bad game for them. I'm thinking we need to bring mid down for bottom ganks. Give us a 2:1 advantage and might even be able to brute force take the turret. But more often than not, our bottom champ is beat down and vulnerable if a gank is attempted. It's not all that uncommon for a top champ to fight two champs. That's why we thought it would be good to have one of our many tops cover bottom. There MUST be a way to both farm bottom and not feed. Last hitting between turret hits isn't that hard. Instead of bursting the wave with abilities to kill them all quickly, last hit in between turret hits. This keeps the minion waves closer to your turret. If you find it hard to last hit, change your runes/masteries/items to make it easier. Changing champs may not be the answer. Change your build. But, speaking of champs, there are a lot of champs that are capable of facing two enemies and scoring kills. It happens all the time at top. So simply holding a lane at bottom and keeping things under control shouldn't be out of the question. We wouldn't have put Scooty down there if we didn't think we had the ability to do this. But lately, it seems he doesn't want to. He complains and then lone wolfs and that's not good. And if he doesn't want to, then we live with that and change things up. But don't say "I can do it" and then play like you did last night. That's no fun for anyone.
As far as training for ranked and learning new champs: Yes, it's frustrating when the only practice that happens is with our team instead of racking up losses for strangers. But if that's what it takes, I'll pay that price. It's just going to take longer. But ranked is way more fun and rewarding than blind pick. I'm getting tired of blind pick. VERY tired of it. To me, it's like Trammel in UO. There's no risk/reward and the rules are skewed so everyone can do whatever they want without upsetting their opponents. If you don't want to upset us by being the guy that sucks as Ryze while you learn him, learn him with strangers!! Will you lose? Will you get trash talked? Yes. But you can always mute everyone too. I was jungling as Quinn which goes WAY against the meta and got some trash for it. Ask me if I care! I was able to play a better Quinn for you because of it. I did it for you. I put up with assholes. For you. Or, we can not play ranked. That's fine too. I'm not going to stop playing if we never go ranked. I will just stop trying so hard to get there.
Bottom doesn't get ganked because their support always wards it and it's a 3v2 fight. They will always react and we will miss the kill. Mid and top is always a 3v1 with a lot of damage being thrown. Kills are plentiful. That's why I always call top/mid. Demoralize them early and make for a long bad game for them. I'm thinking we need to bring mid down for bottom ganks. Give us a 2:1 advantage and might even be able to brute force take the turret. But more often than not, our bottom champ is beat down and vulnerable if a gank is attempted. It's not all that uncommon for a top champ to fight two champs. That's why we thought it would be good to have one of our many tops cover bottom. There MUST be a way to both farm bottom and not feed. Last hitting between turret hits isn't that hard. Instead of bursting the wave with abilities to kill them all quickly, last hit in between turret hits. This keeps the minion waves closer to your turret. If you find it hard to last hit, change your runes/masteries/items to make it easier. Changing champs may not be the answer. Change your build. But, speaking of champs, there are a lot of champs that are capable of facing two enemies and scoring kills. It happens all the time at top. So simply holding a lane at bottom and keeping things under control shouldn't be out of the question. We wouldn't have put Scooty down there if we didn't think we had the ability to do this. But lately, it seems he doesn't want to. He complains and then lone wolfs and that's not good. And if he doesn't want to, then we live with that and change things up. But don't say "I can do it" and then play like you did last night. That's no fun for anyone.
As far as training for ranked and learning new champs: Yes, it's frustrating when the only practice that happens is with our team instead of racking up losses for strangers. But if that's what it takes, I'll pay that price. It's just going to take longer. But ranked is way more fun and rewarding than blind pick. I'm getting tired of blind pick. VERY tired of it. To me, it's like Trammel in UO. There's no risk/reward and the rules are skewed so everyone can do whatever they want without upsetting their opponents. If you don't want to upset us by being the guy that sucks as Ryze while you learn him, learn him with strangers!! Will you lose? Will you get trash talked? Yes. But you can always mute everyone too. I was jungling as Quinn which goes WAY against the meta and got some trash for it. Ask me if I care! I was able to play a better Quinn for you because of it. I did it for you. I put up with assholes. For you. Or, we can not play ranked. That's fine too. I'm not going to stop playing if we never go ranked. I will just stop trying so hard to get there.
I never said that Singed never leaves top. I'm saying that all we ever see up there is Singed.GORDON wrote:No I think we lose because Singed "never leaves top."Trooper wrote:Their adc gets super super fed bottom, this is bad. This is why we lose games most of the time i think. I'll keep trying new things till i find something that works.
And i kinda dont mind if someone is pushing one lane at all times. If we are going to be a split push team then we should prolly have someone constantly pushing one lane and keeping that pressure up. It all depends obviously on whats going on in the game at the time, but in general i like someone that is just pushing away at that top lane.
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Double Jungling is guaranteed that the junglers will be a little behind in the farm. There is no way to avoid it, and is intentional.
The point of double jungling is to throw the other team almost completely off their farm. Our junglers fall behind, but their various team members get shut out completely as they try to adapt to it on the fly and die and/or leave their lane and stop farming in response.
Throwing the other team into confusion is at least half the tactic.
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The point of double jungling is to throw the other team almost completely off their farm. Our junglers fall behind, but their various team members get shut out completely as they try to adapt to it on the fly and die and/or leave their lane and stop farming in response.
Throwing the other team into confusion is at least half the tactic.
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"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
I was 2 seconds from getting their inhibitor last night in the sneak attack/teleport gambit. Volibear came running to me faster than I have ever seen a character move... he was in run mode, and also had those "Base Defense" boots which gives him a massive speed burst out of his spawn. Two more seconds and I'd have had the inhibitor, and it would have changed that endgame significantly.Stranger wrote:And i kinda dont mind if someone is pushing one lane at all times. If we are going to be a split push team then we should prolly have someone constantly pushing one lane and keeping that pressure up. It all depends obviously on whats going on in the game at the time, but in general i like someone that is just pushing away at that top lane.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Yes, i know that. But it was those boots that made him supercharged. I bet he was moving 650+.Trooper wrote:When voli gets on all fours to chase and flip someone, he gets a 30% movement speed bonus when running towards an enemy champion.Volibear came running to me faster than I have ever seen a character move... he was in run mode
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
I was dead and watching you do that. Had you just stayed on the inhib, you'd have gotten it. As it was, you pulled off, danced a bit, went back and hit it again, then got chased down and killed. I could see what you were doing, trying to have your cake and eat it too. But in the end, since you died anyway, you might as well have taken the inhib with you. But since you didn't plan on dying, you didn't.GORDON wrote:I was 2 seconds from getting their inhibitor last night in the sneak attack/teleport gambit. Volibear came running to me faster than I have ever seen a character move... he was in run mode, and also had those "Base Defense" boots which gives him a massive speed burst out of his spawn. Two more seconds and I'd have had the inhibitor, and it would have changed that endgame significantly.Stranger wrote:And i kinda dont mind if someone is pushing one lane at all times. If we are going to be a split push team then we should prolly have someone constantly pushing one lane and keeping that pressure up. It all depends obviously on whats going on in the game at the time, but in general i like someone that is just pushing away at that top lane.
At this point in the game, it was a punt. They had us out leveled, out farmed and out played. I don't think getting that inhib would have mattered. They were too far ahead and we were too far off our game to recover.
SCOOTY: It's not enough to say "I'll do it". You have to WANT to do it. Like Stranger said, I get the impression you are happiest when you can just do what you want, get all the farm you can and score a bunch of kills. I guess that would put you mid or maybe top. But not bottom or jungle. Yes, you roam when you jungle, but as game two last night showed, splitting the junglers loses games for us. You and I would have to work as a team. And I'm not sure that would go over well as I'm the one that normally calls the shots. Even last night when saying "Everyone go top and get whoeveritwas." You didn't go. You had your reason, but instead of voicing your concern, you just didn't go. When questioned, you stated cause you didn't know I was coming mid. Instead of just ignoring the order, mention your concern and I can say "I'm on my way to cover mid". Point is, you aren't always ready to just follow my orders. And that would be bad if we are the gank team. It seems like Stranger just trusts me and follows my lead. You don't. So, I'm not sure Scooty and I would make the best jungle team. Because the jungle team doesn't mean lone wolf.