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They're going to balance champs for specific maps:
"First off, you’ve deserved a response to this thread for a long time, and I’m sorry we haven’t been able to give you one until now. We’ve been well aware of how the Dominion and TT communities have felt left behind and ignored, but we wanted to make sure we had a plan that we were confident in and committed to before commenting, because we don’t want to make any more empty promises.

Dominion’s fun (it’s fast). So is Twisted Treeline. But they both share one key problem – League of Legends is competitively balanced for Classic gameplay on Summoner’s Rift. Our original goal was to create rulesets that would result in balanced experiences across all game modes with the same champion stats. We’ve experimented with itemization, game pacing, map features, and other design elements. While we’ve had limited success here, there’s still room for improvement, so we’re going to take the plunge: in the near future™, we’re going to be implementing map-specific balance changes for individual champions.

This is going to take a few patches to implement, but we’re actively working on the tech, and we’re already got a bunch of specific balance changes in mind that we’re iterating on. We’re sure there will be lots of questions regarding the initiative, so we’ll announce more specifics when the time comes. I’ll actually be joining the live design team to head up map-specific balance for TT and Dominion. Remember that this is just the foundation for support - we’ve got some other tentative plans that we’re exploring to enhance both maps farther down the line!"


Translation: Because you're too stupid to buy one of the three items that reveal Teemo's mushrooms, we're going to nerf the fuck out of him.

Actually, I'll be ok with this if it means buffing Teemo on SR.

Plus, maybe they can do something about the bruiser x3 meta on TT.




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So, champs will have different numbers based on which map you are playing?
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That's what they are implying.

So basically, you can bet that everyone banned or played the most on TT or Dominion is going to be nerfed.

The two that really stand out in my mind are Teemo and Heimerdinger.

Due to his mushrooms, Teemo is pretty bad ass on both TT and Dominion, while Heimerdinger is supposed to be a lock down turret holder on Dominion.

Heimerdinger is supposedly pretty awesome on Dominion.
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i like this change, it might actually make supports and zero cs champs viable.

i've always had a problem with TT and never performed as well cause the team make-ups never really made sence to me. You put 2 champs in one lane and fight over the cs, never understood that concept.

and having a full-time jungler doesn't seem to work either, so im all for the changes. i must admit though, i did enjoy the last couple times i did play it.




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You put 2 champs in one lane and fight over the cs, never understood that concept.


That is incorrect. Many teams do this, and screw themselves.

Top is getting fed as they're usually 1v1, while bot should be operating like bot on SR. One person is farming, while the other harasses and/or jungles. (Jungling on the new TT is possible, but it involves lots of ganking too.)

For example, if you, me, and Gordo played TT, our team comp would be:
Me - Teemo or Vayne (The two champs I play on TT the most.)
Gordo - Singed, Ryze, or Kayle (Gordo is adding Kayle, and maybe some others, because if Singed gets taken/banned, then a Ryze/Teemo team is too squishy and gets rolled.)
You - Any bruiser you play (Naut, Hec, Udyr, etc.), but NOT a squishy support (Leona and Taric are fine).

Gordo would go top, most likely, while you would support me at bot, while also jungling.

The thing about TT is that strategies are far more varied than SR. You've got to adjust quickly, and you cannot give up kills. TT is a snowballing map. In SR, you can come back from a massive kill deficit, but in TT, IF the other team knows what they're doing, you're very fucked, very quickly.
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The shop looks like it's getting a change making it easier to shop.

Oh, and on the PBE you current;y cannot stack more than 5 health potions. I expect to see that change on the live servers pretty quick. This is intended to stop people, like our hitler from the other night, from giving themselves ridiculous amounts of sustain, and encourage more interaction between champions.
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Annie out of fuckin nowhere.
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i knew it.. Ezreal IS a woman!!
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Shit, I knew that all along. That's why I always call him Justin Beiber.
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What's the plan for tonight?
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Cake is going to be trying really hard to get on, and it'll be late.

Scooty moved to Zimbabwe.

Stranger will be on, or maybe not.

You will be on, but playing Defense Grid until others get on.

Theo will be on.

I will be on.
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ill be on.
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Zimbabwe is a terrible choice. That place has really become a shithole in the last 10 years.
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http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs....lements

http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs....ning-by

Here are two good articles on teamfights and rolls within them (part1 and part2). We really need to get better at our team fighting if we wanna get to the next level. Sure we are better at split pushing and winning the little skirmishes but sometimes the 5v5 is just inevitable and you've gotta buck up and fight it out as a team.

I know i took something from the second article in particular. As a support i need to be better at sitting back with the AD and peeling off anyone that comes in on them by providing the cc for them to get away.

And our AD can only focus who is closest to them, staying in the back of the team. So when we say weve gotta focus so and so, sure thats the plan, but we can't let our squishies go in unprotected and get bursted. We've gotta let the other team make the first mistake and let them dive our lines then burst them.

I know all these things happen so fast when teamfights breakout, but we've gotta get better at this. My personal goal is to be a better protector of AD and keep them alive at all cost. So if someone else goes diving in and gets blown up sorry, im prolly gonna be back and protecting whos important.
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Riot is changing alot of the prices of skin here pretty soon, and it looks like Leisher will be refunded a few RP for his purchase of Astronaut Teemo.

Furthermore, Hippalus also clarified everyone who owns Astronaut Teemo, Lion Dance Kogmaw, and Piltover Customs Blitzcrank will be getting a 470 RP refund!

"The 3 Legendaries that are being reduced will have the difference refunded to all owners, since Legendary is a price protected skin tier."
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I agree that we need to improve team fighting, and I think we've been going about it all wrong.

First of all, technically, we don't need to team fight unless we're behind. Team fights are a bigger risk for teams that are ahead. If they win, they're not really gaining as much as what a team that is losing would gain by winning.

Thus, I think we keep to our strategy to avoid team confrontations when we're winning. Keep doing the split push thing. (I know for a fact that the LowElo crew does this and they're ranked MUCH higher than we are...)

When we're losing, we need to force a team fight to happen somewhere near one of our turrets or if we can catch them completely off guard somewhere like Baron. Otherwise, we should be traveling as a team trying to get one of them away from the rest, kill them, and thus, the board gets safer for us to travel as it's now a 5v4.

Second, as you point out, and as I've complained about elsewhere we must protect our squishies better. It starts with our squishies positioning themselves properly, but beyond that we're asking them to build all damage, but then not protecting them in team fights? As Stranger said, that isn't what the pros do.

I would HIGHLY recommend folks get on YouTube and search for Protatomonster. He is the host of LoL's Top 5 Plays of the Week. There's about 124 episodes or so, and each episode is about 4 minutes long, but features great plays that we can learn from. Sure, there are some amazing individual efforts, but you'll see awesome examples of initiations, tanks protecting their squishies, what a support can do to turn a fight, etc.

Here's Week 1.
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Cake may not be on tonight. Seems that he is in Day 2 of an all-nighter.
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Well that sucks.
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